I think the thought is the Big 10 convinces the Irish that ND to the Big 10 is a given. That Notre Dame will really have no choice, they either come willingly, or they come crawling after the Big East is destroyed.

If Notre Dame is convinced that they will have no choice, they would probably rather be in a 12-team conference than a 16-team conference. What no one knows is will Notre Dame pragmatically come to that conclusion, or will they cross their arms and say "prove it, kill the Big East first, then we might come".

From Tigerboard (http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/mis...essage=7631170), a guy who CLAIMS to have sources. Whatever ... this is the Internet, he can claim to be Julius Caesar.

But it sure sounds intriguing:

Here is the latest, and very distrubing, news on the Big 10 front. NU has received an offer from the Big 10, and will accept the invitation over the objection of Osborne who has described himslef as getting "cold feet" recently over the move. However, others "above his pay-grade" have already made the call, and Nebraska is going to the Big 10.

MU has not received an offer, and likely will not for the foreseeable future. Although we had reached an "understanding" with the Big 10, Notre Dame has since reentered the picture and has "refused to be put on a clock" concerning their decision for membership in the Big 10. Thus, the Big 10 is now making the decision to offer only Nebraska and take a wait-and-see approach on further offers for now until the Notre Dame issue is resolved.

Now, this is where it has gotten very scary for us: Texas has made it very clear to all involved that they have 5 other institutions waiting to, in their words, "bolt for the Pac 10" the moment Nebraska announces its agreement with the Big 10. This, according to them, is a "done deal" with the Pac 10 (As a parentthetical, it appears that Baylor, not CU will be part of that move, given Texas' insistence to the Pac 10, but I did not verify that fact for certain).

Thus, here is the position we are now in. Texas' (and other's) lawyers have concluded that it takes a simple majority to dissolve the Big 12. After Nebrasksa announces, the gang of six, either with or without Nebraska, can vote to dissolve the Big 12 as a conference (which they would all have a massive vested financial interest in doing). This would have the legal effect of, among other things, removing the financial penalties for withdrawl from the conference (estimted at almost $15 million per leaving institution, or roughly $105 million in total), as well as removing us as a BCS conference and dissolving our TV contract. In essence, we are about to be left holding an empty bag with very little recourse if any.

Why would the Big 10 do this to us? Jim delany is a shark, and he gets/understands all of the above. By simply bringing in one big 12 school (Nebraska, not MU), he can destroy the Big 12 as a conference (his major competitor for the midwest market) and still leave himself up to 5 slots to play with (Delaney, as he should be, cares only about what is best for his employer. This is business to him). He can then offer MU at his leisure at a later date, or not, as they see fit. Furthermore, Delaney gets that MU has some bargaining leverage at the moment as a member of the Big 12. Remove that membership (which everyone now gets will follow with certitude), and MU will clearly be willing to entertain a future Big 10 offer at a much better price for the Big 10 than what we would take toady. So even if the Big 10 ultimately wants MU, they still can get us but at a price that saves their membership millions fo dollars (i.e. - We, unlike Nebraska, will not be given full equity partnership for several years at a minimum - Or would need to buy our way in).

I wish it were not so. But I am certain that what I just wrote is about to befall us. Ugh.

I guess you forgot about winning %'s. KU is 3rd, BTW.

Yes, you and your unbiased opinion of anything.

You're just bitter about your junior college AS degree.

Just put your MUron t-shirt on and get over yourself.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_...th-realignment

Wow, that would be insane. Tigers go from a position of power to one of us have-nots in a hurry if that turns out to be true.

Good article, except it's not up to Big O to make the decision for Nebraska.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/975972.html

Kansas may not be dead yet.

Dude, KU is not going to the Big 10. EVER.

Well, that sucks. So we'd probably get in eventually, just at a discount rate, and go from being a second tier team in the Big XII to being a second tier team in the Big 10.

Oh well. No matter what happens, at least we'll be rid of Texas.

Why take "toady" what you can have tomorrow? Yeah, very professional looking "article."

Based on? There are a few scenarios however unlikely that it could happen. What if the SEC and the BIG 10 get in a bidding war over ND and the SEC wins. That would leave the the BIG 10 with possibly two holes to fill. It's not likely but it's not a forgone conclusion either.

I think it was a message board post. Not an article.

Thanks. I realize ND is actually their main target but from the Big 12 they want Nebraska and as a last resort MU.

Oh well I was kind of excited for MU to move to the Big 10 and if that doesn't happen they will be stuck in some mid-major conference if the Big 12 blows up.

People that have brains.

Man, comon. I mean seriously, have you read any of the articles at all? Do you understand how the profit sharing works and what B10 cares about? It's not simply who has more schools. Kansas joining the B10 would actually HURT every school in that conference.

Yep, forgot all about it.

That's why the first six words in that post were:

Always won what? Regular season games?

Last I checked winning a lot of regular season games usually means you've got a pretty high winning percentage.

BFD.

Was that your last resort? Winning percentage? And AS degree smack?

FWIW, I don't even have an AS. Working towards my BS currently - might as well give you that info, that way if you're going to continue to make ignorant comments and weak attempts at smack, you'll at least, for once, have the facts right.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. No one here knew KU has won a lot of BB games over the last 115 years.

You've been a huge help*.



*your usual, ****stick self

I know I'll get hammered for this but I believe that if at least six schools stay from the big 12 they can keep the conference alive. And if Texas were to leave the six remaining schools could run the conference however they want to. Granted a conference with a base of Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri and Baylor would suck.

If this is the case, is the Nebraska invite coming first for them because they are easier to deal with or more likely to join at a lower share of the pie? And from that they can they remove all MU's leverage and force them to join at a lower share as well...

If it wasn't something like that wouldn't they do it in reverse order, so say MU is willing to do anything to get in and give up certain concessions or something and thus Big 10 invites them 1st to ruin the Big 12, thus taking away all barganing power from Nebraska?

Does that sound right to anybody?

If it was all about profit sharing why is NU getting the first invite and not MU?

Very informative. Thanks.

Nothing about NU being the only one leaving makes sense. I would be floored if that happened.

Because NU can make enough money to where it'll increase everyone else's share. It's not that hard, man.

I personally think no one knows what is going on. Until there are official reports, all of these "... but I have sources" reports should be discussed, but taken with a grain of salt.

Yeap. I still think NU and MU are ****ing gonzo. Texas isn't going anywhere because Stanford will not have Baylor join the conference (PAC-10 is a one school veto conference).

I just wish all the conferences would openly decide that Notre Dame will not be invited to play in any of their conferences, and that if ND wishes to play their team they have to give them 85% of the ticket sales or more. The only teams left willing to play ND would be worthless teams or schools willing to take a small share of ND's home ticket sales.

I have always hated them and really want somebody to **** them over hard and choke them into doing something that forces them to compete on an even playing field.

From the thread on phog.net that I link earlier, someone did some research on some actual #'s to everything. I know it's not all schools. Again, I don't vouch for the validity of these #'s and I've bolded the schools that made more money in bball than football.


Conf - School - Football - Basketball - Total
ACC - Florida State - 24,877,536 - 8,041,986 - 74,417,324
ACC - Duke - 9,029,583 - 12,164,891 - 71,072,431
ACC - North Carolina - 24,163,760 - 20,437,565 - 70,152,767
ACC - Virginia - 20,210,563 - 8,625,868 - 67,141,170
ACC - Boston College - 20,711,067 - 8,655,208 - 64,157,876
ACC - Miami 27,155,010 - 7,467,284 - 61,969,808
ACC - Clemson - 35,205,168 - 8,203,566 - 60,167,535
ACC - Maryland - 13,980,823 - 12,034,287 - 59,966,862
ACC - Virginia Tech - 27,749,586 - 9,446,253 - 52,838,905
ACC - Georgia Tech - 22,830,766 - 9,874,133 - 48,061,053
ACC - NCSU - 21,772,446 - 11,200,990 - 46,491,105
ACC - Wake Forest - 10,346,081 - 8,795,947 - 44,649,063

Big 10 - Ohio State - 68,196,195 - 17,677,297 - 119,859,607
Big 10 - Penn State - 61,767,717 - 8,491,108 - 95,978,243
Big 10 - Michigan - 52,246,025 - 8,078,556 - 95,193,030
Big 10 - Wisconsin - 40,005,517 - 16,373,712 - 89,842,749
Big 10 - Iowa - 38,896,234 - 10,262,925 - 79,521,143
Big 10 - Michigan State - 43,506,725 - 16,371,480 - 75,624,811
Big 10 - Minnesota - 25,594,942 - 13,840,283 - 70,322,992
Big 10 - Indiana - 15,336,140 - 20,836,473 - 60,615,528
Big 10 - Purdue - 18,320,608 - 8,414,477 - 59,919,102
Big 10 - Illinois - 25,710,645 - 15,275,134 - 55,609,086
Big 10 - Northwestern - 23,951,794 - 9,350,817 - 48,582,384

Big 12 - Texas - 87,583,986 - 16,688,291 - 138,459,149
Big 12 - Oklahoma - 42,638,431 - 8,201,845 - 81,487,835
Big 12 - Nebraska - 55,226,605 - 6,992,258 - 74,881,383
Big 12 - Texas A&M - 38,358,422 - 10,034,769 - 72,886,100
Big 12 - Oklahoma State - 26,536,625 - 11,480,109 - 71,805,825
Big 12 - Kansas - 17,676,175 - 16,052,674 - 70,614,953
Big 12 - Missouri - 24,141,873 - 9,212,677 - 57,778,668
Big 12 - Colorado - 27,827,286 - 4,383,325 - 49,859,693
Big 12 - Baylor - 11,896,723 - 8,678,524 - 48,545,254
Big 12 - Kansas State - 21,378,813 - 6,421,047 - 47,399,903
Big 12 - Texas Tech - 23,581,188 - 8,226,607 - 46,632,263
Big 12 - Iowa State - 21,261,439 - 7,739,092 - 45,813,189

Big East - Connecticut - 13,520,096 - 13,354,428 - 58,495,408
Big East - Louisville - 18,962,150 - 26,606,755 - 58,023,326
Big East - West Virginia - 28,952,873 - 10,534,828 - 55,658,165
Big East - Rutgers - 19,738,023 - 8,698,689 - 54,304,756
Big East - Syracuse - 17,086,213 - 17,595,788 - 52,050,104
Big East - Pittsburgh - 20,494,743 - 12,186,116 - 45,830,364
Big East - South Florida - 14,154,015 - 3,290,609 - 37,855,971
Big East - Cincinnati - 11,460,935 - 6,668,930 - 35,027,102

CUSA - SMU - 11,121,190 - 5,160,728 - 35,386,090
CUSA - Memphis - 8,303,040 - 8,249,888 - 33,506,683
CUSA - Rice - 12,682,194 - 4,934,573 - 30,671,822
CUSA - East Carolina - 7,833,996 - 884,431 - 30,569,723
CUSA - UCF - 8,845,302 - 877,688 - 29,987,609
CUSA - Houston - 3,965,165 - 2,550,823 - 29,620,164
CUSA - Tulsa - 8,792,917 - 3,777,871 - 27,130,674
CUSA - UTEP - 10,229,709 - 4,678,940 - 22,990,846
CUSA - UAB - 5,853,300 - 3,958,516 - 22,620,615
CUSA - Tulane - 5,035,494 - 1,374,345 - 20,811,000
CUSA - Marshall - 6,859,758 - 3,705,784 - 20,040,935
CUSA - Southern Miss - 5,550,336 - 2,898,402 - 18,623,258

IND - Notre Dame - 56,929,397 - 4,125,385 - 81,088,368

MWC - Air Force - NA - NA - NA
MWC - TCU - 16,636,229 - 7,965,745 - 46,461,545
MWC - BYU - 12,520,065 - 4,185,841 - 35,628,193
MWC - San Diego State - 11,931,887 - 5,764,963 - 34,451,248
MWC - UNLV - 4,626,222 - 9,409,350 - 33,178,196
MWC - New Mexico - 7,961,505 - 6,063,177 - 31,990,662
MWC - Utah - 16,388,182 - 6,178,354 - 31,776,878
MWC - Wyoming - 8,792,537 - 3,763,385 - 24,671,158
MWC - Colorado State - 1,387,677 - 5,981,376 - 22,333,071

Pac 10 - USC - 35,203,483 - 4,055,114 - 80,151,282
Pac 10 - Stanford - 14,178,256 - 7,380,153 - 74,695,254
Pac 10 - California - 27,747,396 - 7,361,438 - 73,354,967
Pac 10 - UCLA - 26,640,759 - 12,112,966 - 66,177,866
Pac 10 - Washington - 34,177,030 - 10,038,192 - 60,575,780
Pac 10 - Oregon - 24,789,755 - 4,583,209 - 60,283,512
Pac 10 - Arizona State - 29,857,334 - 6,988,824 - 53,297,963
Pac 10 - Arizona - 20,927,253 - 17,863,928 - 51,822,629
Pac 10 - Oregon State - 30,874,059 - 4,503,174 - 50,211,404
Pac 10 - Washington State - 11,415,496 - 4,305,974 - 38,293,754

SEC - Florida - 66,150,063 - 10,206,047 - 108,309,060
SEC - Alabama - 64,606,392 - 9,053,059 - 103,934,873
SEC - LSU - 61,868,953 - 6,719,684 - 100,077,884
SEC - Tennessee - 42,805,360 - 16,372,528 - 92,524,125
SEC - Auburn - 58,618,819 - 7,522,011 - 87,001,416
SEC - Georgia - 65,218,406 - 8,041,443 - 81,496,357
SEC - South Carolina - 57,118,519 - 8,229,511 - 76,254,236
SEC - Kentucky - 26,143,126 - 15,086,245 - 72,057,751
SEC - Arkansas - 38,630,265 - 15,023,201 - 63,978,641
SEC - Vanderbilt - 18,564,940 - 12,706,365 - 45,582,274
SEC - Mississippi - 18,688,648 - 4,808,737 - 41,318,068
SEC - Miss State - 18,732,248 - 7,816,322 - 36,536,152

True. MU has been super silent about this and if they knew that the Big 10 wasn't going to ask them then IMO it is not in their best interest to keep quiet.

Good post, Hutch. Thanks for the info.

I don't have the patience to look all that stuff up....I stole it. But I will take rep as payment for cleaning it up because it was a cluster **** of a mess originally.

The phrases "wildly optimistic" and "whistling past the graveyard" don't really describe this very well.

The only shot KU really has is for ND to relent soon, or for Nebraska to get cold feet. Barring that, the Jayhawks are pretty well screwed.

My assumption all along has been that Neb and MU have already gotten their invites, maybe only a week or so ago, but I would think this is something you get and sit on for a little bit and try and milk as much power/money out of it as possible (behind closed doors and over private phone calls of course).

You're the one that brought up dook being 100 games behind in wins. Just thought I'd put that in proper perspective for you.

For being so "unbiased" you sure have a lot of opinions on things you don't give a shit about. Sounds more like bitterness about your small school impending degree than anything else.

Fact: I have an undergrad degree from a university that is MCBB royalty, and that apparently offends you for whatever juvenile reason.

At least you had sense enough not to deny your MU fandom, I'll give you that.

I think so too. I think MU and NU want to get kicked out of B12 before they join the B10 so they don't have to pay the enormous breach of contract penalty.

Holy shit, LSUfreak never ****ing disappoints. That kid is a ****ing genius.

No they only need 6 votes to dissolve the conference.

Bebee and all the rest of em start lookin for jobs.

Absolutely.

I qualified my recent post as such, and treated it as just throwing another log on the fire. I hadn't seen that scenario discussed anywhere else and thought it was interesting.

Are you seriously saying you're better than him because of your degree?

That is exactly what I have assumed. What exactly do they have to do to get kicked out officially though? Do nothing? Sit back and take no phone calls or something?

edit:

I have been wondering too if they haven't been trying to negotiate with the Big 10 to try and help pay their buy out as a package deal for the 2 schools and then maybe it becomes a "hospital and private insurance" type of analogy, where Big 10 Lawyers sit down with Big 12 lawyers and negotiate the "proper" price of the buyout and the repayment plans and time table for it... seems like that would be something that takes a while, and something you want to keep private.

haha

They might have to personally go to Austin and take a shit on Dodds's desk.

That's exactly what I was worried would happen as soon as the Pac-10 started sniffing about.

MU needed this thing to go through for them quickly once the Pac-10 card was played.

It's been a pretty logical sequence all along. I still think MU ends up in the B10, it makes a lot of sense for all involved. But we're gonna have to sweat for a long while first.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/ju...issour/?sports

You know what I'm sick of this shit. The MU fans have convinced me. Why the **** does KU still want to stay as a Texas minion?

And these dumb politicians of ours with this begging nonsense.

SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10 (if they keep expanding), or even MWC would be better at this point.

Yeah, I bet that convinces them.

What does a Big 10 team make right now 20-22 million? That is more than Notre Dame's exclusive deal w/ NBC...so they would be coming out ahead..and if you include now a championship game and the increased revenue from ND would actually probably increase that #

Well, if the Big 10 & Pac 10 expand to 16 teams, that is going to affect some other conferences as well. So, there is always that possibility.

Because it's better than being in the MWC,CUSA or Sunbelt Conference.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/09/1...41&feedID=3725

Reports: Nebraska to Join Big Ten

By Jeff Seemann
Fox Sports Ohio
June 9, 2010
After a weekend of denials and hushed discussions, the Big Ten will expand to 12 teams as early as Friday. Reports are emerging that the Nebraska Cornhuskers will become the 12th team in the league.

A source close to the situation has told Fox Sports Ohio that The Big Ten has offered an invitation to Nebraska. to become the 12th member of the elite conference.

Over the weekend, the Big 12 Conference demanded a loyalty pledge from all of its' members, and only 9 teams complied. Two of the three holdouts, Nebraska and Missouri, were given until this Friday to decide if they wanted to stay in the league, and the ultimatum has apparently pushed the Huskers into the Big 10.

“I think before too long — I don't know exactly what that time frame is — we'll be able to put this to bed,'' said Nebraska Athletic Director Tom Osborne, “because I'm getting tired of it.''


(more info at the link)

This entire ordeal is depressing.

Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven? I don't know. In a lesser conference, we could kiss those Fox Sports Net Saturday games goodbye. That would suck. OTOH, we wouldn't have to worry about getting creamed 70-3 by some giant program that has 10 times the resources to draw on than we do.

http://www.isutobig10.com/

Ooooo..will MU be lucky #13?

I don't think its all about the money for ND. They care substantially about what their alumni think and for them to make a move they would need to see serious benefits for joining along with serious consequences for not joining. A 12 team league just doesn't give them that.

ESPN NEWS - Rumors of KU going to the Big East have started. Likely to create a Basketball powerhouse conference.

I have been reading lots of rumors about Kansas being invited to the Big East, but I'd take it with a major grain of salt

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/f...-big-east.html

Better than the alternatives.

That looks like the same info that has already came out and that writer is reporting it as the truth instead of a rumor as the other articles do.

Wow, major rumblings everywhere.

Yeah, I noticed it had a link to a OWH story that (I think) was already posted here. Who knows.

Sorry, the burritos I had for lunch aren't agreeing with me.

So, let's assume that both MU/NU go to the Big 10 & the South schools bolt for the Pac 10.....when exactly does this all take place? This year....next year.....5 years....2 weeks ago?

I would honestly love to go to the Big East, but that rumor is about as credible as a crackhead applying for a loan to start a new business.

it makes a little bit of sense though

If the Big 12 dissolves then the Big 10 will have swiped schools from the Big East as well as the Big 12. The Big East will need to replace schools and it is a basketball heavy conference.

If the Big 12 doesn't dissolve then the Big East will have only lost 1 school because Notre Dame will have taken the place MU/Neb and KU won't need to move.

so right now it looks like KU will stay in the Big 12 or move to the Big East.







unless of course the big east doesn't want KSU :grr:

Most likely 2012.

all of it is speculative crap but this much smoke usually means a fire of some kind.

If the Big 12 does fall apart, the Big East would be my first choice as a destination for KU

I hope you meant Big 10 when you said Big East. I can't imagine a scenario where a team plays more than one season as a lame duck.

Lawrence is actually closer to Syracuse than Tampa (USF) is.

KU would get better recruits and more media exposure if they go East, there are no negatives with that move as far as Jayhawk basketball is concerned. It's a pipe dream though.

Don't forget that DePaul(Chicago) is in the Big East as well, so technically they would only be skipping one state (Missouri)

I did. But I might as well get another rumor started....


My sources say the Big East will consume the Big 10, the SEC will consume the ACC, the Pac 10 will consume the Big 12 making one gigantic cluster **** of a mess.

With the exception of travel distance, it does make the most sense of any of ku's possible choices.

It seems we're already there without anyone consuming anyone.

ok, so...if the B10 expands by one, and only one, taking NEB, where does that leave everyone that complains that expansion is gross because it is all about money and eyeballs?

Not a whole lot of difference with this than having NU and MU going to Penn State or visa versa.

And Kstate is going to be a mid major school. Enjoy.

Uh, Nebraska doesn't draw money and eyeballs?

Hold that thought. Haven't you heard KU and KSU to the Big East.