Time to trade Herrera... his value is high.

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Nope

we average 1.6 runs a game i think

Is that the exchange when converted from Canadian?

Team ERA - 14th in the league

Team runs scored - 25th

Hunter Dozier in a doubleheader last night: 5-for-7 with a HR, no K's. I believe that's 8 straight games without a K for him.

I noticed Alex gets a free pass around here for being total garbage. Weird. 18M for a AAAA level guy. Could've had Eibner get 1-2 war for free

In hindsight we definitely should've spent the money on Kennedy, Gordon, and Soria for a top of the line rotation guy.

Gordon gets a free pass? You'll have to link me to those posts. I've seen A LOT of bitching about Gordon's lack of production and propensity to strike out.

No one responding to your usual drivel doesn't mean he gets a free pass.

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Agreed he has been shit. No free pass from me.

I'm hoping that he has a fantastic 2nd half or that's wasted money.




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Moore's streak of luck has run out.

Gordon has given nothing offensively hope he gets going ..Dyson sucks too. I'd rather see Eibner in the OF than Dyson since he can produce some offense

I don't think it was luck. Dayton is a good GM. I do believe, however, that he absolutely out-smarted himself into thinking he could manage the season with Medlen and Young both being in the starting rotation. I also think that he way over-valued Gordon's presence on this team. That 4-year deal was friendly to KC, but he's a luxury we can't afford. His great Defensive play can't make up for a shitty starting rotation combined with his awful offensive production.

Signing Gordon sold tickets, so it helped from a business sense. There was already a lot of hand wringing about Glass being cheap after two World Series appearances because it looked like the team's fan favorite would walk. It seemed like the Royals people were telling guys like McCullough, Mellinger that they weren't going to sign him. Once they did, it felt like we had a good offseason.

I think he's going to have a tough year... just because of the wrist injury. Seems like guys never recover from those quickly, especially when he wasn't hitting already. But there does come a time where you have to make tough decisions. I think they're going to let Cain walk for that reason, even though it'll be really unpopular. I don't think Gordon is sunk cost though. The reason it made some sense to re-sign him was because he keeps himself in amazing shape, and he works harder than anyone on the team. He doesn't have to be washed up at only 32.

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I think he was relying on Medlan. No one could believe that Young was the solution. That is more a circumstance of he was what we have given payroll limitations. At best he was / is a bandaid they hoped to use as a stopgap and eyeing an arm at the trade deadline.

He was brought back to be a stopgap bullpen asset. They didn't all of a sudden have some renewed faith in him being able to shoulder a spot in the rotation and hold up. Circumstances forced their hand to make do, and he has gotten worked over in a role he would never be an asset to the team as.

I don't believe he's washed up at 32. I believe exactly what I wrote - he's a luxury we can't afford. You can't spend $18MM/yr on an offensively unproductive corner outfielder and piece meal a starting rotation together. His D doesn't make up for an awful rotation. It would help if he were on top of his game offensively, but he hasn't been that for a while. Last night, he had some of the worst AB's I have ever seen from him. The one with Esky on 3B and 1 out was inexcusable for a guy with his experience. So bad, that Hud appeared that he wanted to run down from the booth and scold AG in person. I like AG, but I'd like him better if he were a front line starting pitcher.

I do agree that they will most likely let Cain walk in '17, and that's probably the right thing to do. Maybe, by the grace of God, Bubba gets it figured out in Omaha, and he's ready to man that spot in '18. Highly doubtful, but stranger things have happened. He'll be 25 at the start of the '18 season, so maybe his maturity will catch up with his athleticism.

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I think the biggest fear about re-signing Gordon was that his DEFENSE would decline rapidly, and with it a lot of his value. There was talk about moving him to 1B after Hosmer left.

I don't know if anyone expected his bat to go in the crapper so soon. I think most figured he could still OPS around .750 for 2-3 years. And he still might. But he's been utterly atrocious at the plate this year, particularly the extreme spike in strikeouts, which is both alarming and mystifying. He was never that bad when he was ... bad.

The wrist may hamper his ability to climb out of this, but he was this bad before the injury too. Hopefully he'll pull a Morales and do a 180 -- soon.

Voice of reason.

We could have re-signed Cueto and Zobrist for the same money we spent on those three. Granted, there would be a couple more expensive years towards the end of those deals.

I think it's fair to say substituting Kennedy with Cueto in the rotation would be an upgrade and Zobrist at the top of the lineup instead of Gordon would have made the offense more consistent. In spite of injuries, I think the Royals would have been okay w/o Soria and his 8 mil. a year.

Whit is coming back down to earth. Dyson in left, although not a long term replacement, would have made a capable defensive replacement for Gordon.


Hindsight being 20/20 and all . . . . .

Young's contract NEVER made sense. He was a minimal salary guy last season, which was fine. Anything more than that didn't make sense.

The Gordon signing was going to be problematic to a team like the Royals, even if he maintained his production.

I seriously doubt that.

Zobrist wanted to play for Maddon so I don't think that he was truly an option to re-sign.

Cueto, from my POV, appears to be one of those guys better suited for the NL than the AL.

It's impossible to know for certain but I think that signing Cueto would have been a major mistake.

I wouldn't have signed Cueto either. Zobrist, though, I would have been willing to over-pay. Position of need+ good, patient bat.

Royals 4th place in the AL Central :(

Did we just agree on a baseball related topic in 2016? Dude.

I think it is both. He is a good GM, but he has had alot of luck the past couple of seasons. He took fliers on guys nobody really wanted that came up roses and now things are beginning to even out.

Even after Bubba Starlings blistering start at AAA, already only hitting .235

Back to back WS and 1 championship. I'll "settle" for this if I were him.

100% all of this

Agreed. Tickets sold because we went back-to-back WS and won last year. Tickets were going to be the same regardless of the Gordon signing

Lmao, I had the same thought actually re:dano...

Oh man! My bad. I should have worded it differently.

:evil:

When I was a kid 4-man rotations were pretty common, and pitchers routinely pitched CGs and into the 8th inning.

So now why does everyone have to be on a 5-man rotation when pitchers rarely make it to the 7th (in the Royals case anyway)?

Velocity, effort, and training styles.


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Anybody who bitches about the Royals not re-signing Cueto and Zobrist is an idiot.

Ben Zobrist wanted to go play for Joe Madden and the Cubbies. And even if he hadn't been determined to go to the Cubs, would you really have been happy if Dayton Moore had given a $56 million contract to a 35 year old with a career batting average of .265?

And it would have been complete lunacy for a small market team to pay $120 million to a guy who was as unreliable as Cueto was last year. The Giants could afford to take a chance. The Royals couldn't.

20/20 hindsight is remarkably accurate. Who really thought Zobrist would be an MVP candidate and Cueto would be a Cy Young candidate? Did you?

I feel like the Royals should be in sell mode. There are a couple of players that could bring back some good prospects. Herrera being at the top of that list. Volquez is also on that list as well.

Of course you are an idiot as well.

Wasn't bitching, just making an observation.

So let me get this straight: it would have been complete lunacy for the small market Royals to give $120 mil. to unreliable Cueto, yet we gave $110 mil. to an even more unreliable starter in Kennedy and an unpredictable Soria. Sorry, but I don't see much of a difference in gambles there. Either/or were risks. And it appears Dayton bet on the wrong horse.

I don't believe I ever said I thought Cueto and Zobrist would do what they did this year, thus my comment about 20/20 hindsight and all . . . . .

Heh, Dumbass. Cueto and Zobrist are both out playing all our players. Hope you're happy being next to the twins. Didn't realize it was your money.

Gordon was a fan favorite, he's a workout/preparation freak, the Royals have a painful history of losing good players, he gave a home town discount, and he hit a mammoth home run the may have won us the WS.

It's just silly to talk about letting him go.

Agreed. For all those reasons.

But we could have opted to sign Cueto (or another frontline starter) instead of the 110 mil. we gave to Kennedy and Soria.

Gordon has been shitty for 1/3 of a seasons worth of games. Im not writing him off just yet.

I still think we need to go get Matt Moore from the Rays.

No, no, no. We need to SELL!!!!

Rather pony up for Odorizzi. Texas is making a strong push for him though.

Might have to lose Dozier or Bonafacio to get him.

I am absolutely, positively, undoubtedly fine with that.

I'm not.

Re-read the first line of my post. It applies to you.

Win! Buy!

:D

ROFL

Hunter Dozier struck out last night for the first time in eight games.

He also went 3-for-5 with a 2B. Hitting .341 since going to Omaha.

What a bounce back season for him. He was on the verge of becoming a non-prospect.

Dozier is 25 in August. If he continues this the Royals have an issue next year figuring out what to do with him and Cuthbert. I just cant see them in AAA next year.

Unless they move him to the outfield. He's played 12 games in left this year so crazier things have happened. Trade Bonifacio, move Dozier to RF? It can be done, if they wanted to. It's a good problem to have.

Good. Need our prospects to pull a John Lamb and get hot at the trade deadline.

Why are people excited for a wild card? Toronto/Bos/Balt are very likely getting 3 playoff spots, 80% chance or so. And a 60% chance only two of them do.....which leaves 1 playoff spot.



Are we going to emerge from a potential Blue Jays/Houston/Detroit/Yankees and maybe White Sux scrum?

Duncan, what can you tell me about the following prospects?

Meibrys Viloria
Jeison Guzman
Jorge Rodriquez

Mama Pounders can really pound her some brewskys. Did you see that on TV last night? lol

The way this season has gone? With the injuries and abysmal starting pitching, I would be ecstatic to sneak in as a wild card. It's not the ideal scenario, but it may be all we can hope for this year.

I understand your point of view though. You would probably still be watching the DVR recording of game 162 of the regular season and miss the WC game completely.

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We have some corner OF depth for sure with Orlando, Eibner, Dyson and Bonaficio.

Maybe Dozier could DH next year and spell Hos a little at first. Maybe also use Cuthbert in the Colon role.

I'm OK with making the postseason in any form, but not at the price of trading top-end prospects if the most realistic opportunity is a one-game playoff -- because I think we're beyond that now. If this were 2013 or 2014, I would say, yes, let's go all in because we have to make that leap. But after two pennants and a WS title, we don't need that kind of desperation.

Given all that has conspired against us this year (injuries, underperformance), I'm OK with keeping the Mondesis and Doziers that could form the foundation for 2018 and beyond, and just give it another whirl in 2017 with most of the returning cast (Volquez and Morales likely excepted) and a few tweaks.

Now if we can make the wild card without trading key chips, then great. I just wouldn't want to mortgage the future for a coin flip game. Because if we don't make the postseason this year, I'll just spend the winter re-watching my 2015 World Series Blu-ray set for the 100th time.

(I might add that if the Royals brass really don't believe in Dozier, like they didn't Wil Myers, and they think he's at peak value, then they should move him. Just don't do it because you think it's the key to making the WC.)

Like I stated before if they do move prospects Id rather pay more and get a guy that isnt a FA after this year like Rich Hill will be unless you can lock him up for 17.

My proposals to trade Dozier and/or Bonifacio would only be for a starter(s) with multiple years of control. If the only offer on the table is for a half year rental for a chance at a WC birth, then hell no.

This.

IMO, Bonafacio and Mondesi are off limits and until the Royals figure out what they're doing with Hosmer, Dozier should be as well.

That's fine, to a degree.

I've seen Ervin Santana's name floated. He's been OK this year, his last 4 starts being his best. Given his contract, he probably could be had for modest means. He would help this year, then replace Volquez in the rotation for 17 (and beyond) -- $13.5M in 17 and 18, $1M buyout in 19.

I'd trade the older player before the younger player in that scenario.

Bonafacio is only 22 years old.

Thought about him also.

I like that idea....a lot

I don't think people are dumb for wanting to sell at all. Royals don't pass the eye test or gut test. They key is to override that and trust they got the balls to make a run.

Viloria is a young catcher with a lot of potential with the bat. Has posted some very strong for his age numbers.

Guzman was an intl signing last year and was like the 10-11th best guy on the list. He and Seuly Matias are the reason KC is limited in intl signings this year. Big-time potential. I would keep an eye on Matias, too, who is a potential 5-tool corner OF guy.

Rodriguez was a lower level signing, IIRC. But has shown some strong results, just undersized.

General catch-up comments:
If the royals can get a starter with two-three years of control beyond this year for Bonifacio or Dozier-centered packages, I'm all for it. You've got a surplus. Take advantage of it. Especially if Dozier is a possibility.

I'm not worried about filling 1B when/if Hosmer leaves. Ryan O'Hearn is younger than Dozier and I would rank him higher (as he has hit everywhere, has better natural power, and is four years younger). Moustakas could be a fit there, as could Cuthbert or Dozier. They have a lot of pieces who could be fit into that spot if necessary.




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Mondesi promoted to Omaha. Didnt see that posted.


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That's pretty big news. I assume that means with normal progression, we could see Mondesi with the Big Club sometime next season auditioning to take over full-time for Esky in '18?

Absolutely. Maybe even later this year if he hits well and Merrifield continues to slump a bit.


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I know they've been giving him the fast-track his entire career so far, but holy shit, Mondesi hasn't even turned 21 yet. Impressive.