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Hootie 04-27-2013 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 9636586)
Using that logic any the QB's left won't get drafted by us.

Not true...

Barkley may not even be on our board.

I'm pretty sure several teams leave several prospects off their boards when they make them if they know they aren't going to draft them.

Although I have a feeling we had no intentions drafting a QB since we signed Chase Daniel. Why waste a roster spot carrying a 5th round QB?

KChiefs1 04-27-2013 09:18 AM

1. Matt Barkley, QB, USC
2. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
3. Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
4. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
5. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
6. Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
7. Brian Schwenke, C, California
8. Barrett Jones, C, Alabama
9. Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon St.
10. Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas
11. Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia
12. Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
13. Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers
14. Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
15. Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
16. David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado
17. B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
18. David Quessenberry, OG, San Jose St.
19. William Gholston, DE, Michigan St.
20. Montori Hughes, DT, Tennessee-Martin
21. Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno St.
22. Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
23. Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech
24. Kevin Reddick, ILB, North Carolina
25. Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse
26. Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
27. Sanders Commings, CB, Georgia
28. Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia
29. Michael Buchanan, OLB, Illinois
30. Trevardo Williams, OLB, Connecticut
31. Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina
32. John Simon, OLB, Ohio St.

Hootie 04-27-2013 09:20 AM

there is no such thing as a 'best player available list' anymore

once you get to the 4th round you have 32 NFL teams with 32 COMPLETELY different lists

just because it's a Mayock best available or a Kiper/McShay doesn't mean a thing

NOTHING

not one iota

Fairplay 04-27-2013 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9636607)
there is no such thing as a 'best player available list' anymore

once you get to the 4th round you have 32 NFL teams with 32 COMPLETELY different lists

just because it's a Mayock best available or a Kiper/McShay doesn't mean a thing

NOTHING

not one iota




When it gets in the 4th round you go with the 'best shitty player available list'

AussieChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:23 AM

I'm still just amazed and disappointed that Jesse Williams is still available. Someone is gonna get a bargain when they draft this guy.

Frosty 04-27-2013 09:24 AM

Predraft coverage seems to be about 70% Manti Te'o coverage. :spock: It is starting to hit Tebow level of annoyance.

KChiefs1 04-27-2013 09:25 AM

• Matt Barkley, QB, USC/Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse: Unquestionably, the two biggest names remaining as we head into Day 3. Even the most outspoken naysayers of Barkley and Nassib would have had a hard time predicting both to fall beyond the first three rounds. Surely, a couple of teams will see the value here early on Saturday, right?

• Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech: This is the point in the draft where it’s worth a reminder that Patton had a 21-catch, 233-yard, four-touchdown day against a Texas A&M team that later won at Alabama. He’s not an elite athlete for his position, but Patton will find a way to produce.

• Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama: I really thought Williams was going to be San Francisco’s pick at No. 34 overall. Instead, the 49ers traded down, took Tank Carradine at 40 and Williams kept dropping out of the top three rounds. He’ll be a steal on Day 3, as a player that can hold up at nose tackle or slide out to DT in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4.

• Alex Okafor, DE, Texas: Okafor is going to get to the quarterback, so even if a team takes him as a rotational pass rusher late, it will be worth it. Quanterus Smith from Western Kentucky is another option — like Carradine, he’s coming off an ACL injury.

• Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA: Truth be told, I’m stunned Franklin made it to Saturday — almost as surprised Knile Davis was the only running back taken in Round 3. Franklin runs with authority. It would not surprise me one bit if he still turns out to be the most productive rookie RB.

• Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers: A former safety, Greene can drop back to cover tight ends and wide receivers, but he does his best work chasing down running backs. There’s very little downside to find in using a fourth- or fifth-rounder here.

• Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State: Poyer’s presence on the board stands as proof of how deep this cornerback class is. Though he does not have top-end speed, Poyer has the know-how to play in any type of coverage.

• Barrett Jones, C/G, Alabama: Like with the cornerback position, there are at least a handful of linemen who could play key roles in 2013. Jones plays above his physical gifts, even if he’ll get beat from time to time. He moved all over Alabama’s line, so that versatility ought to help. Ohio State tackle Reid Fragel is another lineman who should be an early pick on Day 3.

• Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas: The next tier of QBs after Barkley/Nassib is led by Wilson — and it also includes Zac Dysert, Tyler Bray, Matt Scott and Landry Jones. Wilson is the best of that bunch. His toughness, if nothing else, will appeal to teams looking to develop a project.

• Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse: One of the stars of the combine, Thomas brings a lot of the same characteristics to the table D.J. Swearinger did to earn the No. 57 pick (Houston). Thomas is better near the line than he is deep and he’ll punish ballcarriers.

Hootie 04-27-2013 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 9636611)
When it gets in the 4th round you go with the 'best shitty player available list'

there are going to be the same "wtf?!??!" picks this year as there are every single year...

because the BPA lists are put out by ESPN and NFLN and all of the drafturbators spend about 1/100000th of the time as NFL GM's breaking down film so clearly they know who is best available and who isn't

every year they tell us how great the Ravens drafts are

I broke down the last 3...all very underwhelming

and no one replied

because it contradicts what they believe

happens every year

AussieChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9636616)
• Matt Barkley, QB, USC/Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse: Unquestionably, the two biggest names remaining as we head into Day 3. Even the most outspoken naysayers of Barkley and Nassib would have had a hard time predicting both to fall beyond the first three rounds. Surely, a couple of teams will see the value here early on Saturday, right?

• Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech: This is the point in the draft where it’s worth a reminder that Patton had a 21-catch, 233-yard, four-touchdown day against a Texas A&M team that later won at Alabama. He’s not an elite athlete for his position, but Patton will find a way to produce.

• Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama: I really thought Williams was going to be San Francisco’s pick at No. 34 overall. Instead, the 49ers traded down, took Tank Carradine at 40 and Williams kept dropping out of the top three rounds. He’ll be a steal on Day 3, as a player that can hold up at nose tackle or slide out to DT in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4.

• Alex Okafor, DE, Texas: Okafor is going to get to the quarterback, so even if a team takes him as a rotational pass rusher late, it will be worth it. Quanterus Smith from Western Kentucky is another option — like Carradine, he’s coming off an ACL injury.

• Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA: Truth be told, I’m stunned Franklin made it to Saturday — almost as surprised Knile Davis was the only running back taken in Round 3. Franklin runs with authority. It would not surprise me one bit if he still turns out to be the most productive rookie RB.

• Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers: A former safety, Greene can drop back to cover tight ends and wide receivers, but he does his best work chasing down running backs. There’s very little downside to find in using a fourth- or fifth-rounder here.

• Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State: Poyer’s presence on the board stands as proof of how deep this cornerback class is. Though he does not have top-end speed, Poyer has the know-how to play in any type of coverage.

• Barrett Jones, C/G, Alabama: Like with the cornerback position, there are at least a handful of linemen who could play key roles in 2013. Jones plays above his physical gifts, even if he’ll get beat from time to time. He moved all over Alabama’s line, so that versatility ought to help. Ohio State tackle Reid Fragel is another lineman who should be an early pick on Day 3.

• Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas: The next tier of QBs after Barkley/Nassib is led by Wilson — and it also includes Zac Dysert, Tyler Bray, Matt Scott and Landry Jones. Wilson is the best of that bunch. His toughness, if nothing else, will appeal to teams looking to develop a project.

• Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse: One of the stars of the combine, Thomas brings a lot of the same characteristics to the table D.J. Swearinger did to earn the No. 57 pick (Houston). Thomas is better near the line than he is deep and he’ll punish ballcarriers.

Yea, Jesse Williams will definitely be a steal.

KChiefs1 04-27-2013 09:27 AM

Top 10 remaining players:

1. Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse

I like his arm strength and his pocket presence better than that of Barkley. He is also more effective at working his way out of trouble.

2. Matt Barkley, QB, USC

He can make all the throws, but you just know some teams must be scared of the shoulder injury he suffered last season.

3. Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers

Former safety shows great pursuit of ball carriers (for proof, watch the video embedded at the bottom of this post) and he can line up in different spots.

4. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama

At 6-foot-3 and 323 pounds, he is outstanding at plugging up the run, but offers little athleticism.

5. Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford

Not as athletic as Greene, but very capable of getting after the quarterback.

6. Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia

Some thought he would go in the second round after an outstanding combine.

7. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas

Versatile player who can line up at OLB or DE.

8. Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

For many, he was the third- or fourth-best running back available.

9. Phillip Thomas, SS, Fresno State

Physical and very aggressive, but also quick in coverage and quick to the ball.

10. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech

Caught 104 passes last year and is a strong route runner with good blocking ability.

penbrook 04-27-2013 09:30 AM

Some scouts had Jesse Williams mocked in the first to the Pats.

AussieChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9636636)
Some scouts had Jesse Williams mocked in the first to the Pats.

Yeah I thought he was going mid 2nd at worst.

Fairplay 04-27-2013 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9636619)
there are going to be the same "wtf?!??!" picks this year as there are every single year...

because the BPA lists are put out by ESPN and NFLN and all of the drafturbators spend about 1/100000th of the time as NFL GM's breaking down film so clearly they know who is best available and who isn't

every year they tell us how great the Ravens drafts are

I broke down the last 3...all very underwhelming

and no one replied

because it contradicts what they believe

happens every year


This is where your team scouts are getting their money when they can find gems among the stones in the later rounds.

Any armchair QB can pick the first three rounds IMO.

Hootie 04-27-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 9636644)
This is where your team scouts are getting their money when they can find gems among the stones in the later rounds.

Any armchair QB can pick the first three rounds IMO.

and this is why I love mocking all of the idiots who scream and kick and cry when we take Jake ****ing O'Connell in the 7th round when LITERALLY 1% OF 7TH ROUND PICKS EVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING.

It's a real great reason to get angry, let me tell you.

KChiefs1 04-27-2013 09:35 AM

Bucky Brooks Top 10 Available:


1) Matt Barkley, QB, USC
The highly decorated passer, who was considered a potential first-round pick at the beginning of the pre-draft process, surprisingly fell to Day 3. He has an impressive résumé as a three-time captain with the Trojans, but most importantly, he has displayed the intelligence, awareness and ball skills to be an effective pro. Now, some of Barkley's critics would cite his interception total (48) as a cause for concern, but I would contend that he was forcing the ball upfield in an attempt to make plays. I still think he possesses the skills to thrive as a starter, if surrounded by an explosive supporting cast.

2) Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
Everyone is pulling for Lattimore as he attempts to make it to the NFL after suffering multiple horrific knee injuries over the past two seasons. Lattimore is certainly worthy of late-round consideration after scoring 38 rushing touchdowns in just 30 games and gaining 100 yards or more 11 times in three seasons with the Gamecocks. Although his health issues will have robbed him of some of his speed and athleticism, Lattimore is a gritty back who is driven to reclaim his spot atop the position class. With that kind of determination setting the stage for the next phase of his football life, he's sure to win somebody over.

3) William Gholston, DE/OLB, Michigan State
The 6-foot-6, 281-pound defender developed into one of the most feared pass rushers in the Big Ten, finishing his college career with 10 sacks. Gholston displays sneaky first-step quickness and enough athleticism to consistently get to the quarterback off the edge. Additionally, he is a long, rangy athlete who can create disruption against the run. Finishing 2012 with 13 tackles for loss, Gholston routinely pitched a tent on the opposite side of the line of scrimmage. He also has versatility as a base end in a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme. Teams should covet such skills in a late-round prospect.

4) Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State
Thomas was one of the top ballhawks in college football in 2012, nabbing eight interceptions -- three of which were pick-sixes. Though his strong nose for the ball is unrivaled among the defenders in this year's class, he remains available heading into Day 3. Thomas' slide down the charts can be partly attributed to his pedestrian athletic numbers, but scouts who are swayed by those are overlooking his natural instincts and skills as a playmaker. Last season, Thomas added 12 tackles for loss -- plus four sacks and four forced fumbles -- to a résumé that is impressive from every angle. Most importantly, he displayed a knack for playmaking that is critical in today's game, which is why I believe he will be a big-time player at the next level.

5) Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford
The devaluation of the running back position can be partially blamed on the lack of feature runners in the draft. But it can't be blamed on Taylor, who compiled an impressive collegiate résumé at Stanford featuring three consecutive 1,000-yard seasons. He accomplished that feat by rushing 800-plus times in a pro-style offense that routinely directed runs between the tackles. This experience was important because it allowed evaluators to assess his skills in an offense that featured concepts utilized on Sundays by pro play-callers. Taylor's experience, production and football IQ should outweigh his speed deficiencies; I don't think it'll be long before the former Cardinal hears his name called on Day 3.

6) Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
There was some talk about Patton cracking the first round, based on his polished game and superb ball skills. However, he apparently failed to make a compelling case to be taken before Day 3, a surprising development considering his production and history of big-game performances. If teams take the time to reshuffle the deck early in the fourth round, I believe several might make a run at Patton as a potential No. 2 receiver.

7) Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
Okafor, who was described as an enigma during the fall, attempted to shed that label with a solid performance at the Senior Bowl and NFL Scouting Combine. Okafor excelled on the practice field, displaying the requisite athleticism to develop into an elite player at the position. Additionally, he showed that he had the poise, savvy and football IQ to quickly take information from the board to the field without incident. Although Okafor's low-running motor sometimes gets in his way, the flashes shown by the former Longhorn make him worthy of consideration as a mid-round prospect.

8) Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers
Scouts might be distracted by Greene's unimpressive physical dimensions, but his unbelievable production as a tackler and playmaker is hard to ignore. A two-time Big East Defensive Player of the Year, Greene finished his remarkable Rutgers career with 19 forced turnovers (including 12 forced fumbles and seven interceptions). Numbers like those indicate a natural playmaker and a potential difference-maker with a knack for getting around the ball. If placed in a scheme that accentuates his strengths as a sideline-to-sideline defender, Greene should quickly outplay his draft status and become a dominant force in the NFL.

9) Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
The later rounds of the draft are reserved for standout players with athletic deficiencies. Poyer, who failed to post the kind of combine numbers that could have complemented his sensational production as a cover corner (13 career interceptions, including seven in 2012), falls into that category. The Oregon State standout, who displayed impressive instincts and awareness as a slot defender, is one of the best nickel corner prospects. While a lack of speed and explosiveness might keep him from ever developing into a starter, the proliferation of spread offensive concepts in the NFL means teams must have an instinctive nickel defender in place in most sub-packages.

10) Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
The influence of the zone-read option has prompted offensive coordinators to search for a dual-threat playmaker at the quarterback position. With his sneaky athleticism and running skills, Scott is one of just a handful of candidates to execute the scheme. Scott has also shown the ability to effectively pass from the pocket with accuracy and precision. While he is certainly not a polished product at this point, his impressive flashes should entice a team to take a chance on a playmaker with the potential to develop into a Colin Kaepernick-like threat in the backfield.


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