If it's a lie, and bad mouthing, it's slander.

I just feel as if change had to happen.

And it sucks for those who have been there and been a loyal worker, but it is what it is.

Again, they have probably gone a little to far with this, but coming in and seeing what the franchise was they probably seen it as being needed.

Who cares. It's at-will employment. I could care less WTF is going on there if the on-field product is good. The discussion needs to get back to whether this management style and commitment to secrecy yields positive results. I don't think it will. So this story is a pretty big f'n deal in my opinion -- just not for the moralizing aspect of it that belongs in the DC forums.

People have PR guys during interviews all the time. This is not something abnormal. I don't think it's a bit weird.

Sounds like common practice for a lot of organizations and people to me. When a Celebrity does an interview and their PR guy is near, does that make it evil as well?


The PR guy being there is no big deal IMO. Like i said, I'd be more surprised if there wasn't a PR guy there.

This is very true.


And that business side was fantastic at filling that stadium when the football side produced mediocre teams.


But with new management comes change. I don't really like that part of it but it happens.

And the secrets part is bullshit, but it all boils down to W's and L's.

Put a winning franchise on the field and this town and fanbase will be excited.

Also it shows to be that Donovan is a weak ****er in the business side of the things as well. If he had any stones he would tell Pioli to **** off and let me worry about the business side.

Newspapers have a ton of protections against slander. You don't want to open up a precedent where newspapers aren't allowed to express opinions or have to have absolute 100% confirmation of fact before publishing. There is no way the Chiefs would come close to winning and they know that.

I'm sure the lawsuits they are threatening are more related to nondisclosures.

No, it is not. It's about malicious intent to lie. That is, that the person is making up stories intentionally to sabotage the reputation of the person. It seems pretty obvious that Haley believes the story to be true, even if that makes him look like a paranoid lunatic.

Scott, take it down a notch or you are gonna blow your cover.

Unbelievable, I'm done wasting my time with apologists.

A major newspaper like the Star wouldn't run a story like this if it really was slander. I worked in the newspaper industry and you have to good proof to run to a story. Our reporters always had to have mulitple sources on any story just to be published.

I care because I believe an organization that functions this way, one that has a tremendous amount of distrust of their own employees, and one that creates a tremendous amount of distrust with people who are supposed to be on the same side as you... is extremely toxic.

Hey! I thought I was Scott.

Unless you think it's a muti, Mrs. Haley.

Completely agree, and I can relate a bit to the article.

When I was a Manager at a movie theater and we got a new GM, we had SO many people threatening to quit, talking shit about our new GM behind her back, etc.

Truth is, the change was needed. And she held us way more accountable then our previous boss, and the Theater actually started making money and cutting expenses under her watch.

Most people loved our old GM so much. She let people take smoke breaks whenever they wanted, she was real nice. Let everyone kinda do as they pleased. A real soft, nice lady.

New GM comes in and demands that employees aren't standing around talking. She demanded that employees were contstantly working. She demanded that no one could use the phones unless on a break, and even then that was sketchy. She demanded a whole lot more.

And everyone hated her for awhile. Everyone felt un easy.

Some quit. Most talked shit. But our new GM never actually did anything wrong, just made everyone work and got on their case when they didn't.


This article is almost EXACTLY like that.

How am I an Apologist? Because I don't believe everything the media tells me w/o hearing the full story? That makes me an apologist?

And you keep saying Scott, when it's been stated numerous times that this is believed to be Hunt's handy work.

I forget whether it was this article or an article about this, but it pointed out that other teams who change GMs don't have a complete purge like occurred at Arrowhead. Clark and Pioli completely gutted the organization. Isn't that what we wanted? The thing burned down? Carl's cronies shit-canned. That's what Clark did. Unfortunately, it appears that Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli may not have a clue what it takes to build a winner. This preoccupation with secrecy seems asinine, and a waste of resources.