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BigCatDaddy 08-16-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 10824194)
yeah I kinda question leaving Ventura out so long with our dominant ass pen, and also why take Ibanez out when he appears to own their closer?

Pinch hit for Ibanez and let Moose bat given the history was odd.

baitism 08-16-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10824219)
He was trying to save the bullpen. Geez guys, it's not hard to figure out.

We have to sustain the bullpen through 2 more months of baseball, and they've showed signs of fatigue.

Yost isn't a mensa, that's for sure...but I'm not going to beat him up for this. We scored 1 freaking run.

Saving them for the off-season? Nothing they have done means anything if you don't make the playoffs. I bet you were ok with shutting down Strasburg too...

CaliforniaChief 08-16-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 10824251)
Saving them for the off-season? Nothing they have done means anything if you don't make the playoffs. I bet you were ok with shutting down Strasburg too...

The two have nothing to do with each other. I'll say it again. The Royals scored 1 run. Hell, Holland gave up 2 last night in one inning alone. The more you use them consecutively, the worse they perform.

baitism 08-16-2014 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10824257)
The two have nothing to do with each other. I'll say it again. The Royals scored 1 run. Hell, Holland gave up 2 last night in one inning alone. The more you use them consecutively, the worse they perform.

Might as well forfeit with that attitude.

cmh6476 08-16-2014 08:30 PM

Herrera has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/11, 8/8, 8/6, 8/1, 7/30, 7/29, 7/26, 7/25...

Davis has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/14, 8/11, 8/10, 8/8, 8/6, 8/1, 7/31, 7/30, 7/26...

Holland has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/14, 8/11, 8/10, 8/8, 8/6, 8/3, 8/1, 7/31, 7/30, 7/26...

So maybe they were going to use Herrera in the 9th if they could get there? Still, you have other guys in the pen and it seemed to me Ventura was about tapped as he hit 100 pitches and leaving him it really kinda put it out of reach for us.

CaliforniaChief 08-16-2014 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 10824265)
Might as well forfeit with that attitude.

:spock:

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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 10824268)
Herrera has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/11, 8/8, 8/6, 8/1, 7/30, 7/29, 7/26, 7/25...

Davis has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/14, 8/11, 8/10, 8/8, 8/6, 8/1, 7/31, 7/30, 7/26...

Holland has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/14, 8/11, 8/10, 8/8, 8/6, 8/3, 8/1, 7/31, 7/30, 7/26...

So maybe they were going to use Herrera in the 9th if they could get there? Still, you have other guys in the pen and it seemed to me Ventura was about tapped as he hit 100 pitches and leaving him it really kinda put it out of reach for us.

This makes more sense as a criticism. You do need the other guys to step up to be viable.

But again, we scored 1 run. Not gonna win many games 1-0, folks.

BigCatDaddy 08-16-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10824273)
:spock:



This makes more sense as a criticism. You do need the other guys to step up to be viable.

But again, we scored 1 run. Not gonna win many games 1-0, folks.

No, but maybe 2-1 in extras. You can't piss away games down the stretch like that when you have the lead. Down 2-1, 3-1, yeah maybe try to squeeze another inning, but you can't lose those games like that you are leading after 6 for the sake of saving the pen. I don't give a shit if it's 1-0, 2-1, or 3-2, keep that lead and win the game.

58kcfan89 08-16-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 10824268)
Herrera has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/11, 8/8, 8/6, 8/1, 7/30, 7/29, 7/26, 7/25...

Davis has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/14, 8/11, 8/10, 8/8, 8/6, 8/1, 7/31, 7/30, 7/26...

Holland has pitched one inning on 8/15, 8/14, 8/11, 8/10, 8/8, 8/6, 8/3, 8/1, 7/31, 7/30, 7/26...

So maybe they were going to use Herrera in the 9th if they could get there? Still, you have other guys in the pen and it seemed to me Ventura was about tapped as he hit 100 pitches and leaving him it really kinda put it out of reach for us.

This was my biggest problem. You want to give Holland/Davis/Herrera a day off? Fine. But we have enough other pitchers in the pen that you didn't have to leave Ventura out there at 100+ pitches while struggling with command.

If you put in some combination of Bueno/Chen/Frasor/Crow and they blow it (which I have little doubt they would have), I can live with the "day off" excuse for why we didn't have the A Team in there.

Biggest test is tomorrow. Gotta bounce back & take the series (and preferably score more than 1 frickin' run). Can't let this be the start of something worse.

DeezNutz 08-16-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10824273)
Not gonna win many games 1-0, folks.

Nope. But the Royals had a legit shot to win this one before Ned went full Yost.

CaliforniaChief 08-16-2014 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 10824421)
Nope. But the Royals had a legit shot to win this one before Ned went full Yost.

I guess it's agree to disagree. His bullpen management really hasn't bothered me all that much. I'm sure now we'll win or lose the next 10 games by more than 5 runs, making me wish we had used the HDH approach, but yeah.

BigCatDaddy 08-26-2014 09:09 PM

Nice to see Ned take his head out of his ass and move Gordon up in the lineup tonight. Well done sir. Now fix that damn 2 hole asshat!

BWillie 08-26-2014 09:12 PM

Was surprised Ned put Davis in the 8th, I was sitting there loving the decision, especially w heart of the lineup coming up in the 9th. Nice job Edgar

Hootie 08-26-2014 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10852251)
Was surprised Ned put Davis in the 8th, I was sitting there loving the decision, especially w heart of the lineup coming up in the 9th. Nice job Edgar

Ned does a decent job of this when Davis has been rested.

At this point, we needed Herrera, Davis and Holland to get some work regardless today/tomorrow.

-King- 08-30-2014 09:20 PM

Bump.

Figured this would come in handy.

lewdog 08-30-2014 09:21 PM

This last ****ing week has been stupendously bad from Ned.

**** HIM.


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