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planetdoc 02-24-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10451001)
It makes it easier to defend?

Put athletic football players out there, not just a "pass rusher" or a "run stopper".

how so? A hybrid defense by definition will have players better suited for a particular scheme (3-4 or 4-3)

Are you suggesting that defensive lineman can play equally well in either scheme?

saphojunkie 02-24-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10450842)
This is outstanding. Thanks.

Dude Brandin Cooks has the same hand size as Evans. Wow. It's gotta be obvious to this front office that our free agent dollars should go towards the defense and we find pass catcher in this hell of a draft.

I'm thinking we should go WR in the first and TE in the third.

planetdoc 02-24-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10451007)
It's like if Clowney were there when we pick. He's obviously best suited to play 43 end, but you don't pass in him because of that.

You take him and fit him in your defense

Clowney can play 4-3 end or 3-4 OLB.

planetdoc 02-24-2014 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10450998)
I think Donald is a 43 under tackle but if the chiefs font office thinks he's that talented (he is) they shouldn't hesitate to draft him


well that is how you get guys like Glen Dorsey. Drafted for a 4-3 and end up playing 3-4 end. Didnt work out all that well for the chiefs.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10450997)
how do you think that will fare against "no huddle" offenses which limit the ability for defenses to substitute?

Also, since he is suggesting a hybrid d, would that make Aaron Donald a role player or a starter? Would you be ok drafting a player in the 1st round who is only playing limited snaps?

Seattle drafted Bruce Irvin, a "situational" pass rusher, high in the 1st round and signed a whole bunch of "situational" pass rushers. Who just won the Super Bowl with an absolutely dominant defense?

I could care less how many snaps Donald plays, I'd actually prefer that he not play on run downs and stay rested in order to be at 100% on passing plays. Hell, I don't want any of our DL players to log more than 60% of snaps through out the season. As long as Donald's snaps are coming in the 2nd half when we have to hold onto a lead while playing on passing downs in the 1st, I am completely fine with that.

I guarantee you that Luck does not lead that comeback against us had Donald been on the field, terrorizing the middle of their line in the second half. I could care less about getting a "3-down" lineman who can dominate at 5-tech in the first quarter only to disappear in the second half. You want a 5-tech? Go sign a vet who already knows how to play it at the NFL level. Give me the most dominant 1-gap penetrator over any 5-tech project and let me turn him loose on opposing QBs in the second half when they are trying to mount a comeback.

That is the biggest reason why I want to draft Donald, he truly gives you that element vs Tuitt and Hageman who are both honestly too slow to get to the QB without great coverage on the backside helping them out. Donald is a guy who can make up for poor coverage and get into the QB's head; no way that Manning will be able to step up in the pocket with Donald and Poe collapsing the middle.

Direckshun 02-24-2014 05:31 PM

Disappointing that Bashaud Breeland measured in under 6'0" today. He was listed at least two inches taller.

Direckshun 02-24-2014 05:34 PM

Victor Hampton and Jason Verrett measured in at 5'9". Yeesh. Boy do colleges like to add an inch or two to their guys.

Jean-Baptiste and McGill came in at 6'3" -- just look huge. 33" and 32" arms, respectively.

Direckshun 02-24-2014 05:34 PM

Jimmie Ward only put up 9 reps on the bench. Project, it seems.

Purifoy out of Florida only put up 6...

Direckshun 02-24-2014 05:35 PM

Kenny Ladler put up 25. Pretty boss for a safety.

Direckshun 02-24-2014 05:36 PM

Pierre Desir came in 6'1" with 33" inch arms. Outstanding size.

Direckshun 02-24-2014 05:36 PM

Dennard: 5'11" with 30" arms.
Gilbert: 6'0" with 33" arms.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10451020)
how so? A hybrid defense by definition will have players better suited for a particular scheme (3-4 or 4-3)

Are you suggesting that defensive lineman can play equally well in either scheme?

You've never heard of a hybrid defense? Get with the times.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10451039)
Disappointing that Bashaud Breeland measured in under 6'0" today. He was listed at least two inches taller.

He still has decent length. As for Dennard, he will drop because of his 30" arms and lack of elite athleticism and speed. I bet someone is going to take Fuller ahead of Dennard.

planetdoc 02-24-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10451034)
Seattle drafted Bruce Irvin, a "situational" pass rusher, high in the 1st round and signed a whole bunch of "situational" pass rushers. Who just won the Super Bowl with an absolutely dominant defense?

first, Irvin was 6'3'', 245lbs who ran the forty at 4.41 seconds. He is like an OLB....not comparable to Aaron Donald.

second, Seatle's defense is a complete team, and I think their defensive success can be attributed more to their outstanding db play more than their line. For the regular season, they had 44 sacks, tied for 8th in the NFL. Chiefs had 46 sacks.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10451034)
I could care less how many snaps Donald plays, I'd actually prefer that he not play on run downs and stay rested in order to be at 100% on passing plays. Hell, I don't want any of our DL players to log more than 60% of snaps through out the season. As long as Donald's snaps are coming in the 2nd half when we have to hold onto a lead while playing on passing downs in the 1st, I am completely fine with that.

I dont think the chiefs can dictate such scenarios. Chiefs have a much harder schedule this yr. Games will likely be close. Opportunities to substitute will be limited because opposing qbs will take advantage of such situations (i.e. they will hand off when you go into a light defense not built to defend the run).

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10451034)
I guarantee you that Luck does not lead that comeback against us had Donald been on the field, terrorizing the middle of their line in the second half.

your speak in hyperbole that is illogical. you can make guarantees about the past. That is a propaganda technique called "unprovable statements." Further, the failings had to do more with the teams awful pass coverage than their pass rush.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10451034)
I could care less about getting a "3-down" lineman who can dominate at 5-tech in the first quarter only to disappear in the second half. You want a 5-tech? Go sign a vet who already knows how to play it at the NFL level. Give me the most dominant 1-gap penetrator over any 5-tech project and let me turn him loose on opposing QBs in the second half when they are trying to mount a comeback.

I am pretty sure that Sutton has his lineman 2-gapping, not 1-gapping.

O.city 02-24-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10451020)
how so? A hybrid defense by definition will have players better suited for a particular scheme (3-4 or 4-3)

Are you suggesting that defensive lineman can play equally well in either scheme?

Are you suggesting some can't?


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