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DJ's left nut 09-15-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12427165)
I remember being really impressed with Gaines before the injury last year. If he's back to 100 percent, I think he's pretty darn good.

I like Gaines a lot.

Stack him up to Trae Waynes and athletically they're virtually identical; Gaines may actually be more explosive. Their builds are pretty much exactly the same.

And while Peters will be the best CB from that draft, Waynes was universally considered the best CB prospect of the bunch.

Gaines/Waynes are very similar in my eyes to Ford/Fowler. Dorsey's shown an eye for getting guys that are athletically extremely similar to players with much much higher pedigrees far later in the draft. It's going to lead to some busts because you just can't take the rough edges off everyone. But it's his pattern and it's not hard to spot.

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2016 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12427472)
So you're not going to correct the record at all?

Because about 5 posts later you said he shouldn't be cut. Even you, the most vocal Russell detractor around, took a step back and said "woah, maybe cutting a 3rd rounder with those measurables this early isn't such a great idea afterall".

I mean, I can go grab the quote if you'd like, but you know that's how it went. You walked yourself back a fair amount there.

Yeah, I walked it back because it looked foolish but in all honesty, it's not how I really felt.

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2016 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12427470)
Exactly.

I'm pretty sure folks wouldn't be lining up to wash Elways balls for "recognizing a mistake and cutting bait early".

I rarely, if ever, celebrate other teams's personnel mishaps. The draft is a crapshoot and 50% of first rounders bust.

That said, after the job that Elway's done since arriving in Denver as GM, he's certainly allowed to have a few mulligans.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12427470)
This is a knee-jerk move.

It only appears to be a "knee jerk move" outside One Arrowhead Drive. For all we know, they could have been contemplating this move since early August.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12427470)
I really hope it was a brilliantly calculated one where Dorsey was sure he could get the guy on the practice squad and wanted to knock him down a peg. We'll find out by about 5p this afternoon.

Reid didn't exactly sound like they were ready to welcome him back with open arms if he clears waivers but maybe that's part of a ruse.

Regardless, Dorsey has hit on multiple third rounders since he was hired in 2013. Travis Kelce is a Pro Bowler and Top 5 at his position, Knile Davis has added value as a running back and kick returner and it appears that Gaines and Conley will be contributors for years to come.

If Dorsey realized that this 3rd rounder wasn't going to stick, I applaud him for ripping off the bandaid and releasing him immediately.

RunKC 09-15-2016 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12427470)
Exactly.

I'm pretty sure folks wouldn't be lining up to wash Elways balls for "recognizing a mistake and cutting bait early".

This is a knee-jerk move. I really hope it was a brilliantly calculated one where Dorsey was sure he could get the guy on the practice squad and wanted to knock him down a peg. We'll find out by about 5p this afternoon.

I'll still think it was too risky. The Cardinals did something similar with Aledmys Diaz last July to get a JAG on the roster for 10 days; it was remarkably stupid but they got lucky and nobody picked Diaz up. This year he was an All-Star as a rookie and may well be the best player on the team. All it woul've taken was one GM to decide that he was worth a million dollar gamble and a spot on the 40 man to make the Cardinals look extraordinarily stupid.

IMHO I think he's gone. I don't think he even wants to come back here. But yeah, looking at the league today, corners with athleticism like Russell's are worth taking a shot on for how cheap his salary is.

I would be shocked if he isn't claimed, no less by one of the first 10 teams who get a shot at him.

threebag 09-15-2016 09:43 AM

Maybe he will end up in OHIo

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2016 11:23 AM

I don't know if anyone will find this interesting but I thought I'd post anyway.

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9/14 KeiVarae Russell CB Waived, No Recall

http://operations.nfl.com/updates/th...stem-overview/

The waiver period runs from the first business day after the Super Bowl through the end of the NFL’s regular season. Except in rare incidents, the waiver period lasts 24 hours and all waivers are categorized as “no recall” and “no withdrawal,” which means once a club waives a player, it cannot take the player back or change the player’s status.

DaFace 09-15-2016 11:24 AM

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been any more news on this yet. Surely some team out there will claim have claimed him by now.

ChiefGator 09-15-2016 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12427782)
9/14 KeiVarae Russell CB Waived, No Recall

http://operations.nfl.com/updates/th...stem-overview/

The waiver period runs from the first business day after the Super Bowl through the end of the NFL’s regular season. Except in rare incidents, the waiver period lasts 24 hours and all waivers are categorized as “no recall” and “no withdrawal,” which means once a club waives a player, it cannot take the player back or change the player’s status.

KeiVarae Russell CB Waived, No TakeBacksies

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2016 11:28 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Filed: Why the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> lied about KeiVarae Russell&#39;s release as a &quot;football decision&quot;. If Joel doesn&#39;t print it, he&#39;s part of the cover-up.</p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAP/status/776467438166827009">September 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Meatloaf 09-15-2016 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12427798)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Filed: Why the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> lied about KeiVarae Russell&#39;s release as a &quot;football decision&quot;. If Joel doesn&#39;t print it, he&#39;s part of the cover-up.</p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAP/status/776467438166827009">September 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Not sure I understand what this means. What's your take on it, Dane?

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2016 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 12427802)
Not sure I understand what this means. What's your take on it, Dane?

My take is that football insiders like Joel Thorman know exactly why Russell was cut and it wasn't a "football decision", i.e., his ability or inability to play in the NFL at this point in time.

Edit: Terez follows him. He didn't re-tweet.

DaFace 09-15-2016 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 12427802)
Not sure I understand what this means. What's your take on it, Dane?

My interpretation (but could be wrong):

Matt Connor - writer for Arrowhead Pride
Why the #Chiefs lied about KeiVarae Russell's release as a "football decision". - Name of an article he just submitted for publication on Arrowhead Pride
If Joel doesn't print it, he's part of the cover-up. - Joel is the editor (not sure if that's the right title) of Arrowhead Pride. Matt is apparently saying there's a cover-up, and if Joel doesn't print his article, he's part of it.

RunKC 09-15-2016 11:36 AM

We'll never know gents. This is the sequel to the DAT issue we still don't know about from last season.

DaFace 09-15-2016 11:36 AM

Here's the article (I think):

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/9...-real-football

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12427812)
My interpretation (but could be wrong):

Matt Connor - writer for Arrowhead Pride
Why the #Chiefs lied about KeiVarae Russell's release as a "football decision". - Name of an article he just submitted for publication on Arrowhead Pride
If Joel doesn't print it, he's part of the cover-up. - Joel is the editor (not sure if that's the right title) of Arrowhead Pride. Matt is apparently saying there's a cover-up, and if Joel doesn't print his article, he's part of it.

I wonder if he takes a chances and prints it, then loses his press credentials as a result?


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