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DTLB58 04-13-2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5665241)
Ahem.

I'm not the one suggesting it means something definitive. There is a large contingent of people here that have said Cassel IS the future simply because we traded for him. They have suggested it doesn't matter that he hasn't signed a contract.

He hasn't signed a contract. That, in and of itself, means nothing definitive, you're absolutely right.

By the same token, the fact that we traded for him - when combined with the fact that he doesn't have a contract - does not mean anything definitive either. Despite the protestations from the "Cassel is our QB" crowd.
I would say that because Pioli and Haley had confidence in him may be considered "Simply becaue we traded for him" has something to do with my excitment of him coming to KC. I respect their Opinions.

But I think his play last season plays more of a part in my opinion that he can lead us to the future.

As for the crowd that says he won't have Moss or Welker....I'm sure Pioli and Haley aren't going to leave him out on the field with toy soldiers to play with. They will get him help, whether it be coaching up the guys we already have or obtaining new weapons.

DTLB58 04-13-2009 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5665260)
All the more reason to dismiss the notion that Cassel is our QB and there's no other possibilities.
Are you willing to at least give him a chance? Or are you totally against him just for the sake of argument?

htismaqe 04-13-2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 5665271)
Are you willing to at least give him a chance? Or are you totally against him just for the sake of argument?
I'm absolutely willing to give him a chance. In fact, I'm fairly convinced that he's our QBotF.

However, the absolutes being thrown around in regards to the guy really bug me.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-13-2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5665302)
I'm absolutely willing to give him a chance. In fact, I'm fairly convinced that he's our QBotF.

However, the absolutes being thrown around in regards to the guy really bug me.
Anoint and move on; that's how it works here.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-13-2009 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5664989)
Chiefs not willing to give Cassel a long term-deal, per Bob Glauber.

:hmmm:
That's the best Chiefs news I've heard in 6 weeks.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-13-2009 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5665420)
That's the best Chiefs news I've heard in 6 weeks.
I do believe we're about to get our merry little way on this matter. Look for Croyle being bought out or dismissed outright.:grovel:

If and when THAT shoe falls, get your ****ing Tequila and Sombrero at the ready, cause' it's ON NOW, BITCHES! PBJ:rockon:

bandwagonjumper 04-13-2009 12:57 PM
I'm not a draftnik but what the point of trading for Matt Cassel and paying him 14 mio dollars for one year if you don't plan on him in the future. Otherwise there could have signed Byron Leftwich or Jeff Garcia as a stopgap solution.

DTLB58 04-13-2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5665302)
I'm absolutely willing to give him a chance. In fact, I'm fairly convinced that he's our QBotF.

However, the absolutes being thrown around in regards to the guy really bug me.
Ah, Gotcha

DTLB58 04-13-2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper (Post 5665499)
I'm not a draftnik but what the point of trading for Matt Cassel and paying him 14 mio dollars for one year if you don't plan on him in the future. Otherwise there could have signed Byron Leftwich or Jeff Garcia as a stopgap solution.
He's gotta a point there. :clap:

Just Passin' By 04-13-2009 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5665241)
Ahem.

I'm not the one suggesting it means something definitive. There is a large contingent of people here that have said Cassel IS the future simply because we traded for him. They have suggested it doesn't matter that he hasn't signed a contract.

He hasn't signed a contract. That, in and of itself, means nothing definitive, you're absolutely right.

By the same token, the fact that we traded for him - when combined with the fact that he doesn't have a contract - does not mean anything definitive either. Despite the protestations from the "Cassel is our QB" crowd.
But he does have a contract. He is signed for one year at franchise numbers. He's not an unsigned free agent. That's why this is a useless thread until the draft: Cassel is the team's QB going forward until something changes that.

As an aside, I have nothing against your hesitation regarding Cassel. I just think it's something that really has no potential for much discussion until after the draft, barring some sort of trade.

htismaqe 04-13-2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5665530)
But he does have a contract. He is signed for one year at franchise numbers. He's not an unsigned free agent. That's why this is a useless thread until the draft: Cassel is the team's QB going forward until something changes that.
For one year, hence the double-standard comment.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5665530)
As an aside, I have nothing against your hesitation regarding Cassel. I just think it's something that really has no potential for much discussion until after the draft, barring some sort of trade.
Like I said, it wouldn't really be a topic of discussion if people didn't talk about the situation like it's not fluid, because it is.

htismaqe 04-13-2009 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper (Post 5665499)
I'm not a draftnik but what the point of trading for Matt Cassel and paying him 14 mio dollars for one year if you don't plan on him in the future. Otherwise there could have signed Byron Leftwich or Jeff Garcia as a stopgap solution.
Because he gives you 1 year of manageable play while you get your drafted QB ready? Because he gives you the possibility of drafting a QB and having 2 guys that might be franchise-caliber players? Because you kept him out of the hands of a division rival? Because you thought you could get him for a 2nd rounder and trade him for a late 1st?

What's the point of trading for Matt Cassel and making him you're QBotF if you're not going to give him a long-term deal?

Just Passin' By 04-13-2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5665558)
Like I said, it wouldn't really be a topic of discussion if people didn't talk about the situation like it's not fluid, because it is.
Well, it may or may not be fluid. You're speculating that it is. I would expect that your speculation is, at least, largely correct, but it's still opinion, not fact.

htismaqe 04-13-2009 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5665565)
Well, it may or may not be fluid. You're speculating that it is. I would expect that your speculation is, at least, largely correct, but it's still opinion, not fact.
That's my point:

NOTHING is fact, other than we know that he doesn't have a long-term contract in place.

I'm not the one suggesting that something is there that's not. That belongs to the people suggesting that Cassel is it, we're set, and that's all there is to it. They're speculating just as much as anybody else, only they don't act like it.

CrazyHorse 04-13-2009 02:01 PM
We're set this year. Including draft time.


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