Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10161407)

It's not my first conclusion. As I said in my first post in this thread, my first theory was that Martin's outburst might have been roid rage. That was before much news of the harassment had come out. Someone else raised the question about whether or not Martin might be gay and it struck me as a possible reason why hazing from teammates might last into a guy's second season. It still seems like a viable theory so, since no one had mentioned it and no other explanations have been established, I thought I'd ask if anyone had seen any evidence that would tend to contradict that theory.

We don't know that Incognito was harassing him because of his race (we only know that race was used as an element of the harassment). We don't know why Incognito was harassing him. That's why this and anything else that might explain the "why" remains relevant.

I find your attempts to shout down any attempt to discuss Martin's potential sexuality interesting. Would you have reacted the same way if I had asked about whether or not there was any news about Martin using steroids? I doubt it. You'll have to look inward for the reasons though, because it's not about me.



That's beyond stupid. First of all, I didn't say what you put in quotes, you lazy moron. I asked if anyone else had seen anything along those lines. Second, the only negative connotation you picked up was created in your own mind. I didn't have a negative thought in my mind when I typed it, I didn't imply anything negative, and nothing about the natural meaning of those words suggests anything negative. If you picked up on the fact that I was wondering if Martin is gay, then hurray for you. If you picked up some idea that I think there's anything negative about being gay, then you need to recalibrate your own head because it's got nothing to do with me. I've got 50,000 posts on this messageboard and you wouldn't be able to find anti-gay lifestyle posts among them. I'm the most gay friendly straight male you can find. And I'm not afraid to talk about it as an acceptable human behavior like you appear to be.

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 10161413)

I wonder if Mike Pouncey will be the next Dolphin to be suspended.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10161426)

The facepalm was meant to express incredulity, not disgust. I deleted it though because I thought your post was kind of an insignificant point. Since I've already addressed the Mike Wallace issue, I'll go back to the guys who find the discussion of homosexuality scary now.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10161368)

I think it does. We are free to make judgments based upon the evidence. You are also aware of the fact that this thread has grown exponentially today--once the content of Incognito's messages were released. He's had five days to respond and he's formulated no response. He has an awful reputation.

This isn't a lynch mob forming fifteen minutes after the thread was posted. To call it a lynch mob could not be more inaccurate.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10161431)

I'm not even on any side. I don't think we know all the facts yet... so he shouldn't be cut. I think some of the responses in this thread though are borderline disturbing though.

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10161293)

Incognito did 2 things:

1) Used the N word

2) Picked on a gay man(hypothetically speaking until we know for sure)

Both of which are wrong. However, IF Incognito were black do you think this would be a national story/issue ?? NOPE !! It would be just 1 black guy giving another black guy the "bro business" end of story !! But because Incognito has a dirty rep on the field already with many fines and off the field issues and he is white this is nothing short of red filet mignon for not only the nat'l sports media but even bigger for the majority Marxist Media.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10161361)

Once again, why bring it up then?

It doesn't make any sense to bring it up if you're going to later on say that it doesn't matter. If it matters, bring it up, if it doesn't, then don't. You can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10161421)

When the entire offensive line gets suspended, it's the quarterback who suffers.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10161435)

I think Pouncey has bigger issues at hand.

Like Federal, pound-me-in-the-ass, prison.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10161444)

Why does it matter if someone talks about it? Is there some reason why this particular characteristic should be kept secret?

If I asked what kind of car Martin drives to the stadium each day, would I have been met with multiple posters asking why it matters? Why bring it up? I doubt it.

The answer to your question (which you would already know if you bothered to read it the handful of other times I've posted it) is yes it matters. It matters because it's a potential motive that would help explain what was going on in that lockerroom. It would have nothing to do with justification, as far as I'm concerned, but it might help explain why it happened.

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 10161420)

Now I have an understanding why you have such difficulty comprehending some of my explanations. I will try to make no logical sense in the future.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10161454)

"Do you guys think that Martin could have been harassed by Incognito because he's gay?"

is not the same as

"In all the articles and web searches you guys have read/done on this issue, have any of you come across any mention of a wife or girlfriend for Jonathan Martin?"

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10161436)

We at least know Mike Wallace has not shown himself to be the most mature player and teammate in the past.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10161444)

If I asked what kind of car Martin drives to the stadium each day, would I have been met with multiple posters asking why it matters?