If his back and knees are now sound (no given, I know), I think his bat can still be potent/above-average.

Hand-eye and strike zone judgment should be fine. Only question is if his lower half/core is strong enough to regain his pop.

BCD - I'm discussing it outside of having to wheedle to Glass for cash/look bad doing it. That's definitely a road block. But who knows how much he's going to want? Playing time is probably the biggest issue for him, and if he's healthy, KC can offer that.

I'd put fairly low odds (10 percent?) on him being able to regain his former hitting form (when he was a .850+ OPS guy). And slightly better but still low (30?) odds on him hitting the line I was projecting. Either way, if you're paying him $3 million or less for the second half, you get good return on the investment (with potential for AMAZING return).

But if you're KC, I think you have to be creative to compete. Say KC gets to the end of June with a record that's three games over .500. It's likely they have done that with an offense that's still below-average.

Maybe a trade for a bat is easier than it looks like it will be at the moment. We've talked about that in this thread quite a bit. But I'm just a little intrigued about picking the guy up off the scrap heap for no prospect cost.

If they're truly in contention, I wouldn't want to to be the ONLY pick up. But it offers upside that few other options can match...

Also the Royals have signed Dozier for 2.2 million.

I'm with you on the flyer this season. It's just the first thing that popped into my head was GMDM having to ask Glass for even more money than he is already dishing out. Maybe if we were in contention at the all-star break I suppose he might open the pocket book once more.

I think a more realistic option is to identify somebody at AAA who is blocked and try to get him at a non-Ventura price. Kind of like Ryan Shealy.

Coming from the guy that said Escobar was better then Hardy if all you care about is WAR how can you say this?

Damn.

That's only $1 million under slot. Add in the 700k of budget "stretch" KC has before penalties set in, and you're looking at a maximum offer to Manaea of around $3.3 million.

This is why they drafted the guys they did in rounds 5-10. They'll make minimum offers to those guys that will be enough to sign then, and dump the extra cash towards Manaea.

I'll bet you, last year, he was. Even duncan has admitted Escobar has been bad this year.

Yes, WAR is the only stat I referenced there. Right. "Look at whatever advanced stat you want to look at..."

Escobar was better than Hardy in 2012 at the plate and in the field and was worth about an additional win. I made the mistake of thinking a young player had figured it out and found a consistent level at the plate, coming off a season and a half of improvement at the plate.

Escobar has obviously cratered with the bat this season and regressed badly.

Please point out a way in which Johnson is better than Holland OTHER than a counting stat dependent on his team or in walking fewer batters/9.

I woudn't have wasted that many words on him. I think my one sentence post clarified it just fine for him.

But.... SAVES!!!

Felix Hernandez sucks too because he doesn't pile up the wins.

Duncan, no homo but I love listening to your Royals takes.

Kyle Lohse was 16-3, Felix was 13-9 last season. Lohse>>>Hernandez.

Not what I'm saying at all.

Jim Johnson 2012- 51 for 54 in saves 2013- 21 for 25 in saves

Greg Holland 2012- 16 for 20 in saves 2013- 12 for 14 in saves


Give Holland 54 chances to close a game do you really think he ends up with 51 saves ?