Words have meanings. The relative age of the automotive industry to other industries is irrelevant.

I know quite a bit about the actually person and a lazy(in regards to politics not overall) libertarian is a pretty spot on description of him.

this guy is reading way too far into things

1) blue collar mexican workers work harder and work for less than american blue collar workers (that are worth a damn)

every ****ing mexican I have worked with in this country has two full time jobs...and work their ****ing asses off doing them

I work 60 hours every week and that makes me the hardest working person amongst my friends...and it's not close.

compared to the mexican working class...I'm nothing. Those guys are true grinders.

the American working class is ****ing shit now because everyone wants to make more $$$ but they want to make more $$$ while doing less work or cutting corners

that's just how it is

I was going to wish for a server to crash, but that would effect me. Therefore, I revised my evil juju. I hope all day tomorrow when walking on carpet that when you reach the door it shocks you. I mean every ****ing time.

I'm not reading the entirety of your post, because you made a fatal error from the beginning.

We are not, actually, debating whether or not he knew the meaning of the word.

We are debating its usage as applied to the argument at hand, nothing more.

His usage of entitled, when discussing mexicans being cheaper beacuse they don't carry insurance or offer warranties, has nothing to do with entitlement, and everything to do with liability and responsibility.

If you believe the argument between you and I is about anything different, then you misunderstood or misinterpreted my contention that he misused the word, and would would do you well to go re-read the entirety of this thread, of which you did not participate in.

:cuss:

That will be strange since there are zero carpets that I walk on that are within a few feet of a door (only area rugs). I did however promise my young niece that she could cut my hair tomorrow... so I fully expect your juju to make me end up with a freakin mohawk.

Perhaps.

lol

Nope. I have read along the entire time.. Your argument has morphed into it's current state but you DID say...

And THAT is where I corrected you. You were WRONG. He used it exactly how he meant it.

You SHOULD have said...

Yes, words do have meanings. The Industry is young (as I said) by comparison to every other industry out there(as I said), and is only contested in youth by a handful of other industries, of which, have been spun off from other, much older industries.

No, it isn't.

Libertarian is a pretty spot on description of me, and nothing he has said to me about his view on politics, says Libertarian. The fact that he says he has no view on politics, should be your first clue. Libertarians have a very specific and centric core philosophy that is conveyed in their politics.

He is not one, he is however, very liberal.

There might be better suited allegiances for him to claim, but of the predominant philosophies spoken or popular, he is more liberal than anything else.

1. They can because they do not carry insurance, offer warranties, and do not pay legal taxes, most of them do not file taxes, and work under the table. Because of this need, because they are undocumented, they have to work less appealing jobs where they can be paid next to nothing, under the table, for tax reasons to their employer.

Trust me, I know how that world works all too well.

They might be true grinders, but they do it illegally and do not benefit anyone in this country in doing so. In fact, because of them, more is spent because of them, than they bring to us in the savings on cheap labor, not to mention they represent a HUGE liability for many industries due to their undocumented work that must be written off by others.

You say they work hard.

Try working 60 hours a week and going to school full time, all of it lawful, paying taxes, paying tuition, and without using anyone else to lean on financially. Did I mention the part where I was running my own business on top of that?

That's hard work, and I know White Americans that work MUCH harder than I do.

Your life experiences thus far have lent you to a very dangerous, very wrongfully opinionated stance on politics, yet you claim no political view.

You might want to check that again.
Hell hath no fury?

NO, I shouldn't have said that. My argument had nothing to do with American workers up until that point, neither did the context of the post.

Just as he shouldn't have said entitled when referencing his Mexicans being cheap in response to mine about the fact that they do not pay for insurance or carry warranties.

A point you've been avoiding this entire time, because if you admit it was said, you lose the debate, to refute the claim that it was said, breeds ignorance of the fact.

Basically, you lost this debate before you posted, because you forget to consider or check the context of the response before you tried to correct me.

You lost bud, sorry.

And if you continue to claim that you've won, I'll repeat again.

Did the OP not reply or acknowledge the reference that Mexicans are cheap because they do not have to carry insurance, or carry a warranty?

Simple yes or no here.

As a side note, I'm going to start knocking up the price of my posts by 120%. I've refined my posting style for years to entertain you people, and you can't get this kind of high quality posting anywhere else.

Putting this here for later use.


con·text
[kon-tekst] Show IPA
noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.

Is English your first language? I'll let this all slide if your using Google Translate for all of your posts.

You're slipping and sliding all over the place on this debate. Let me give you an example of what you sound like.

ME: Bluebirds are blue! I hate Bluebirds.

YOU: You obviously don't understand what the word BLUE means.

ME: Um, Bluebirds ARE blue and I don't like them at all.

YOU: You're wrong not to like bluebirds! They are nice birds!

ME: Well they ARE BLUE and no they are mean ass birds.

YOU: Bluebirds are nice to people they are only mean to other birds.. that makes them nice!

KCNATIVE: Um, I think Austinchief is right, bluebirds are blue.

YOU: NOPE he clearly doesn't understand the meaning of the word blue! I proved that when I said they were nice! CONTEXT! DEBATE OVER I WIN!

Did that make any sense? It shouldn't. It follows the same lack of cohesion and logic that your argument does.

Hootie's argument about Mexican workers being cheap had to do with a lack of a sense of entitlement. YOU brought in the lack of overhead. He is free to admit that that is ALSO true but it doesn't invalidate or have ANY bearing on his original point.
AGAIN.. you were WRONG to say he shouldn't use the WORD... you can argue that he was wrong to make the point but it doesn't change the FACT that in CONTEXT he still used the word to correctly convey how he felt. Right or wrong on his point his word choice was fine.

Would anybody be upset if I closed and hid this trainwreck?

This makes me want to lock Exotar and Denise in their own forum. They could argue in circles, completely missing each others point, until their hands cramped up...