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TomBarndtsTwin 07-14-2016 11:39 PM

Hosmer is gonna get his money and in a big way and it won't be the Royals giving it to him.

I say good for him. No ill will whatsoever. He can sign with whoever (except the White Sox) and I'll wish him well.

Thanks for the two amazing playoff runs (and, maybe, one or two more?)

Why Not? 07-15-2016 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12316255)
Here's a trade idea - Shelby Miller. Diamondbacks just sent him to Triple A.

Shelby Miller has been God awful. The Dbacks know they got fleeced big time in that trade. They're gonna want something decent back to save face. I'd give them Chris Young. Maybe.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2016 06:26 AM

Even peak Shelby Miller wasn't worth what the Diamondbacks gave up for him. Shitty Shelby makes the trade look really bad... And I actually like him as a buy-low candidate.

Re: Hosmer et al - going to be hard to keep him, for sure. But I continue to be amused by national guys who suggest the Royals may trade key pieces for prospects. They're not trading anyone they control next year for prospects. They're not sacrificing their chances next year, which I am sure the team thinks are good.

Kansas City's Baseball Prospectus site had a great feature yesterday about the offensive surge this year. Huge spikes league wife in HR rates and HR/FB rates, as well as slugging percentage.

Pretty great case for the ball being juiced.

Bad time to get caught with a starting staff built of flyball pitchers... And not sure how you can avoid that.


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Nightfyre 07-15-2016 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12316450)
Even peak Shelby Miller wasn't worth what the Diamondbacks gave up for him. Shitty Shelby makes the trade look really bad... And I actually like him as a buy-low candidate.

Re: Hosmer et al - going to be hard to keep him, for sure. But I continue to be amused by national guys who suggest the Royals may trade key pieces for prospects. They're not trading anyone they control next year for prospects. They're not sacrificing their chances next year, which I am sure the team thinks are good.

Kansas City's Baseball Prospectus site had a great feature yesterday about the offensive surge this year. Huge spikes league wife in HR rates and HR/FB rates, as well as slugging percentage.

Pretty great case for the ball being juiced.

Bad time to get caught with a starting staff built of flyball pitchers... And not sure how you can avoid that.


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Seriously, juicing the ball just ****ed gmdm's entire strategy, especially because the Royal's flyball pitchers are disproportionately affected. Maybe Manfred wanted his larger market, all-power teams to flourish. Dirty east-coast Yankees fan.

Sure-Oz 07-15-2016 10:04 AM

If hosmer leaves it's to a coast or high market team...def not the white sox

duncan_idaho 07-15-2016 11:18 AM

Next two weeks should tell us a lot ... Lots of Ames with contenders (Cleveland, Detroit, Texas).

Have a good stretch or even go .500, and I think they buy...

Have a rough stretch, and I think they sell assets they don't control for next year (Morales, Hochevar, Volquez).

Injuries plus the poor performance by the rotation have just sabotaged them too much (juiced ball doesn't help there, either).


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alnorth 07-15-2016 11:38 AM

lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you&#39;ve gotta catch &#39;em all, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheK?src=hash">#TheK</a> is the place. Every PokeStop will have active lures all game starting Monday! <a href="https://t.co/gQKznCp3fs">pic.twitter.com/gQKznCp3fs</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/754003187162554368">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Prison Bitch 07-15-2016 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12316052)
Bad examples.

Kemp had a grade two hamstring tear, came back too early, and tore the hamstring off the bone (grade 3). He's never run the same way since.

Cain's elbow blew up on him.

And Sandoval is a laughable comparison.

All 3 were significantly younger than Alex. You have to factor that in as a huge difference. For Sandoval he had 13WAR the prior four years and Alex was 16. Given the age gap, the comp is perfectly valid.

Anyong Bluth 07-15-2016 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 12316475)
Seriously, juicing the ball just ****ed gmdm's entire strategy, especially because the Royal's flyball pitchers are disproportionately affected. Maybe Manfred wanted his larger market, all-power teams to flourish. Dirty east-coast Yankees fan.

They keep saying that under inspection the balls look no different. Realize, first, just how tiny a change is required to see a spike in runs. If all balls hit came off the bat by an increase of 1 mph, it's a 13% increase in chances of hitting a homerun. Ball velocity off bats since last August when charted month to month, show an increase of 1 to 3 mph leaguewide.

Visual inspection shows that the balls look the same.

My theory. They are applying a harder resin to the yarn or a portion of the yarn when spun that wraps the core.
By itself, on a strand, it would indistinguishable. But all the yarn in the ball provides a tremendous amount of surface area to be treated by a minisculely harder resin. When wrapped around the core over and over, it would look and feel identical, but the properties of the core would result in a slightly harder ball, and we already know that a very very tiny change can result in some dramatic results.

WhawhaWhat 07-15-2016 01:43 PM

New lineup!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Look at today&#39;s No. 2 hitter. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> <a href="https://t.co/u1v70FaL9D">pic.twitter.com/u1v70FaL9D</a></p>&mdash; Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlannyMLB/status/754037466022023168">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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C3HIEF3S 07-15-2016 01:44 PM

This is enticing:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="de" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> lineup vs. Verlander:<br><br>Merrifield 2B<br>Hosmer 1B<br>Morales DH<br>Perez C<br>Gordon LF<br>Cuthbert 3B<br>Eibner RF<br>Escobar SS<br>Dyson CF<br>Kennedy P</p>&mdash; David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/754037703847530496">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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LMAO
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like Ned stumbled into his analytics guys during the break. <a href="https://t.co/HQ7jkKmbQ9">https://t.co/HQ7jkKmbQ9</a></p>&mdash; Jesse Newell (@jessenewell) <a href="https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/754038299031769088">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Chiefspants 07-15-2016 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12317243)
This is enticing:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="de" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> lineup vs. Verlander:<br><br>Merrifield 2B<br>Hosmer 1B<br>Morales DH<br>Perez C<br>Gordon LF<br>Cuthbert 3B<br>Eibner RF<br>Escobar SS<br>Dyson CF<br>Kennedy P</p>&mdash; David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/754037703847530496">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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LMAO
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like Ned stumbled into his analytics guys during the break. <a href="https://t.co/HQ7jkKmbQ9">https://t.co/HQ7jkKmbQ9</a></p>&mdash; Jesse Newell (@jessenewell) <a href="https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/754038299031769088">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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LMAO

KChiefs1 07-15-2016 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12317243)
This is enticing:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="de" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> lineup vs. Verlander:<br><br>Merrifield 2B<br>Hosmer 1B<br>Morales DH<br>Perez C<br>Gordon LF<br>Cuthbert 3B<br>Eibner RF<br>Escobar SS<br>Dyson CF<br>Kennedy P</p>— David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/754037703847530496">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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LMAO
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like Ned stumbled into his analytics guys during the break. <a href="https://t.co/HQ7jkKmbQ9">https://t.co/HQ7jkKmbQ9</a></p>— Jesse Newell (@jessenewell) <a href="https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/754038299031769088">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Ned said his analytics guy set the ASG lineup too.


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Great Expectations 07-15-2016 07:55 PM

How long until Ned recognizes that the opposition has figured Whit out?

suzzer99 07-15-2016 08:11 PM

You gotta give him a chance to re-adjust.

Al Bundy 07-15-2016 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12317878)
How long until Ned recognizes that the opposition has figured Whit out?

Soon I imagine. No hit Whit is just abysmal.

Great Expectations 07-15-2016 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 12317904)
You gotta give him a chance to re-adjust.

The amount of strike outs have been staggering.

TomBarndtsTwin 07-15-2016 08:41 PM

The league is figuring Whit out. Can he adjust? If he does, we have a second baseman. If not, he goes back to being a bench utility guy. Then either Colon gets a shot again or maybe Mondesi?

Prison Bitch 07-15-2016 10:35 PM

Please sell the shit out of this garbage roster

Sure-Oz 07-16-2016 07:17 AM

I'd they don't pick this up soon they have to consider trading Morales, Hochevar, possibly Volquez at the deadline. I'm hoping they get on a win streak starting today.

ChiTown 07-16-2016 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12318049)
I'd they don't pick this up soon they have to consider trading Morales, Hochevar, possibly Volquez at the deadline. I'm hoping they get on a win streak starting today.

I hate to say that any series in July is critical, but this one is pretty critical. We come out of the box getting swept in DET, and find ourselves 6+ back of the WC, we are looking pretty dire. Boston and Toronto look damn good right now - as they have the pitching and hitting to compete. Our offense is beyond pathetic at driving in runs, and our pitching is struggling keeping the ball inside the park. This team looks haggard, and I think it's a combo of injuries and all the games played over the last 2 seasons.

So, in short, I agree with your assessment

Fairplay 07-16-2016 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 12315981)
DC forum would be all over Obama for mendaciously disrespecting the office of president.


Obama has already disrespected the office to an all time low already.

Deberg_1990 07-16-2016 08:58 AM

Anyone figured out why we play well at home but not on the road?

Why Not? 07-16-2016 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12318070)
I hate to say that any series in July is critical, but this one is pretty critical. We come out of the box getting swept in DET, and find ourselves 6+ back of the WC, we are looking pretty dire. Boston and Toronto look damn good right now - as they have the pitching and hitting to compete. Our offense is beyond pathetic at driving in runs, and our pitching is struggling keeping the ball inside the park. This team looks haggard, and I think it's a combo of injuries and all the games played over the last 2 seasons.

So, in short, I agree with your assessment

While getting swept in Detroit would suck, it wouldn't quite signal catastrophe just yet. But it would necessitate needing to go at least 6-3 with probably a sweep of the Indians on the upcoming 9 game homestand.



In all honesty, I just don't see it happening this year. Almost every shitty thing we avoided the past couple years has come home to roost in 2016. Oh well. Still not sick of watching last year's highlights.

Why Not? 07-16-2016 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12318113)
Anyone figured out why we play well at home but not on the road?

Couple of thought on this:


1. Our pitchers(although hardly stellar at home)pitch to an advantage at the K. This has been true the past few years but with as homer friendly as our group is, it is painfully obvious this year.

2. Part of the fun of the past few years has been the teams emotional connection with the city and the fans. I don't think we can deny that plays a factor

3. Just baseball.

ChiefsCountry 07-16-2016 11:01 AM

Cardinals are just the opposite - can't win at home, but win on the road. That's baseball.

Pitt Gorilla 07-16-2016 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 12318106)
Obama has already disrespected the office to an all time low already.

Seriously. STFU.

suzzer99 07-16-2016 11:26 AM

Well if there's one guy to bring respect back to the office it's Trump.

I'll show myself out.

Bowser 07-16-2016 11:28 AM

Lots and lots of ball left to play, but I just can't see them making the playoffs this year. Too erratic on offense and the pitching isn't reliable, and that's not mentioning all the legitimate teams in the AL right now. Hell, it's going to take 90+ wins to make a wildcard spot this year.

It sucks, but it is what it is. After the mad dash at the end of '13 and the last two seasons, they could probably use an early break to catch their breath and regroup. Again, lots of games left, but that's how I feel as of today. We'll see.

Bowser 07-16-2016 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 12318106)
Obama has already disrespected the office to an all time low already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 12318265)
Well if there's one guy to bring respect back to the office it's Trump.

I'll show myself out.

https://media.giphy.com/media/qeA0jZAlsCHAI/giphy.gif

suzzer99 07-16-2016 11:39 AM

I don't even feel that bad about the 8th inning last night because I really didn't see us scoring another run. We had hold the 2-1 lead to win in my mind.

Al Bundy 07-16-2016 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 12318106)
Obama has already disrespected the office to an all time low already.

Eat shit and get the **** outta here.

BWillie 07-16-2016 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12316450)
Even peak Shelby Miller wasn't worth what the Diamondbacks gave up for him. Shitty Shelby makes the trade look really bad... And I actually like him as a buy-low candidate.

Re: Hosmer et al - going to be hard to keep him, for sure. But I continue to be amused by national guys who suggest the Royals may trade key pieces for prospects. They're not trading anyone they control next year for prospects. They're not sacrificing their chances next year, which I am sure the team thinks are good.

Kansas City's Baseball Prospectus site had a great feature yesterday about the offensive surge this year. Huge spikes league wife in HR rates and HR/FB rates, as well as slugging percentage.

Pretty great case for the ball being juiced.

Bad time to get caught with a starting staff built of flyball pitchers... And not sure how you can avoid that.


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If intentional changes to the ball were made by MLB, don't they have to disclose that to the MLB teams? It effects what Kansas City is trying to do here a great deal.

BWillie 07-16-2016 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 12317936)
The league is figuring Whit out. Can he adjust? If he does, we have a second baseman. If not, he goes back to being a bench utility guy. Then either Colon gets a shot again or maybe Mondesi?

I'm not sure why people are surprised that the Whit slump is happening. Whit Merrifield is likely not a good starting option in MLB. He's a perfect utility guy though, maybe similar to Willie Bloomquist.

You aren't going to hit .270 in AAA and then suddenly become better than that in the MLB as a 27 year old.

I would imagine Colon needs to be our everyday 2nd baseman. Mondesi isn't even close to ready, maybe in 2018 he will be but he hasn't hit yet. If you want to give Mondesi a shot if you know we won't be competitive in 2017 I'm fine with that. I think guys can learn in the majors just the way they learn in the minors as long as that is communicated to them that the stats don't necessarily matter at first.

BigCatDaddy 07-16-2016 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12318311)
I'm not sure why people are surprised that the Whit slump is happening. Whit Merrifield is likely not a good starting option in MLB. He's a perfect utility guy though, maybe similar to Willie Bloomquist.

You aren't going to hit .270 in AAA and then suddenly become better than that in the MLB as a 27 year old.

I would imagine Colon needs to be our everyday 2nd baseman. Mondesi isn't even close to ready, maybe in 2018 he will be but he hasn't hit yet. If you want to give Mondesi a shot if you know we won't be competitive in 2017 I'm fine with that. I think guys can learn in the majors just the way they learn in the minors as long as that is communicated to them that the stats don't necessarily matter at first.

I think they thought this might happen.and why they were kicking the tires on Jose Reyes awhile back.

Prison Bitch 07-16-2016 12:18 PM

http://3jrjps1t0ztwsakr03fp3bhy.wpen...NYP-e1457101pg

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Mosbonian 07-16-2016 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12318311)
You aren't going to hit .270 in AAA and then suddenly become better than that in the MLB as a 27 year old.
.

I noticed you qualified your point by putting up a specific age lest someone remind you that Brett was hitting .250 at AAA before being brought up.

BWillie 07-16-2016 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 12318504)
I noticed you qualified your point by putting up a specific age lest someone remind you that Brett was hitting .250 at AAA before being brought up.

As what a 19 or 20 year old? And most likely in minimal at bats. That comparison is not valid. There is no reason to believe Whit Merrifield will be able to hit .280 or above. None.

I suppose .270 in AAA with good contact could equate to .250. If he can play good D at 2B then maybe that would be enough. Maybe.

Great Expectations 07-16-2016 07:11 PM

He'd play great D at 2b. Plus Arm, plus range, plus hands and plus instincts defensively.

duncan_idaho 07-17-2016 08:58 AM

Sunday morning thoughts (twins are napping, Dad is reading):

1) Rich Hill's asking price is going to be similar to what the price was for Scott Kazmir last year. What would that look like for KC? Something like Chase Vallot and Jake Junis or Alec Mills. I make that deal in a heartbeat. Neither Junis nor Mills profiles as more than a No. 4 starter, and Vallot is 19.

I love Vallot's combination of age, power (it's impressive and rare) and plate discipline, but he also is a long shot to stick behind the dish, leaving him without a sure defensive spot (likely a 1B/DH type).

Considering Meibrys Viloria is looking like a similar prospect and is a similar distance from the majors, I could bite the bullet on trading Vallot (But just barely).

There are so many teams interested, the final price will likely inflate a little bit, but you're not talking about RA Mondesi in the deal, which makes it do-able, IMO.

2) Despite everything that's happened this year (injuries, Morales' early funk, Gordon's yearlong slump, the collapse of Young and Medlen, Ventura's mercurialness, the juiced baseball), they're just 3.5 games out of the wildcard with a chance to move a 1/2 game in front of Detroit with a win today and be just a game back of a playoff spot.

I think if you get a healthy Lorenzo Cain back and add a starter to solidify the 5th spot, they're still in position to make a run at the playoffs, and we've seen what this team can do when it makes it to the postseason.

I still think they're going to buy, not sell. And maybe quickly (There's speculation today may be Hill's last start with the A's).

Texas is also a concern for Hill, but it sounds like the Rangers are more focused on guys they can control, like Matt Moore or Odorizzi.

mr. tegu 07-17-2016 12:55 PM

I am still looking more at getting in the playoffs via the division than the wildcard just because of the smaller number of competing teams. This next series starting tomorrow can go a long ways to determining how possible winning the division actually is.

tk13 07-17-2016 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 12319649)
I am still looking more at getting in the playoffs via the division than the wildcard just because of the smaller number of competing teams. This next series starting tomorrow can go a long ways to determining how possible winning the division actually is.

We're only 7 back in the division. Two years ago we were 7-8 games back at the break and were in 1st place by several games in mid-August. It only took a month.

Now, the following month we fell behind the Tigers again, but it just shows 7 games is nothing. Same is true for the Tigers and White Sox too. If one of these teams can run off 15 of 20, they can get right back into it.

Why Not? 07-17-2016 01:16 PM

Yeah, anything is still possible at this point but that Indians rotation is good enough to fend off a collapse

ChiTown 07-17-2016 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12319716)
Yeah, anything is still possible at this point but that Indians rotation is good enough to fend off a collapse

If the Indians can be average offensively, their pitching staff will carry them to the AL Central Title

KChiefs1 07-17-2016 01:35 PM

We should concentrate on the wild card. This team isn't that good.


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KChiefs1 07-17-2016 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 12319649)
I am still looking more at getting in the playoffs via the division than the wildcard just because of the smaller number of competing teams. This next series starting tomorrow can go a long ways to determining how possible winning the division actually is.



This team isn't that good.

We don't have the lockdown bullpen like we did in 2014 & 2015.

Why Not? 07-17-2016 01:36 PM

Probably moot anyway. Not even worth paying attention to the playoff picture until this team can get and stay a few games over .500. Currently this looks much more like an 78 to 83 win team than it does a contender

ChiTown 07-17-2016 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12319771)
Probably moot anyway. Not even worth paying attention to the playoff picture until this team can get and stay a few games over .500. Currently this looks much more like an 78 to 83 win team than it does a contender

This offense is ridiculously awful at scoring runs. Doesn't matter who bats where, nobody can drive in a ****ing run. Really awful baseball to watch

Chiefspants 07-17-2016 01:42 PM

3rd Place MVP Cain needs to get well and back in the lineup in a hurry. Otherwise this season is toast.

Unsmooth-Moment 07-17-2016 01:44 PM

Nice game today by the bullpen again. This isn't the same team as the last couple. I'd be ok selling if we stay 7-8 games back.

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TomBarndtsTwin 07-17-2016 01:46 PM

I know Cuthbert has filled in admirably, but this team really misses Moose.

Cain getting his ass back in the middle of the lineup would help to . . . . .

NWTF 07-17-2016 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12319780)
This offense is ridiculously awful at scoring runs. Doesn't matter who bats where, nobody can drive in a ****ing run. Really awful baseball to watch

I knew we've been awful offensively, we certainly hardly ever pass the eye test, at least my eye test lol, so I took a gander at the stat sheet. Yeah, 2nd from dead last in the AL in runs scored.

Say what you want about style or whatever but this just isnt a playoff caliber team. Were still in it record wise and theres time to make a run but this current play doesnt deserve to make the playoffs.

mr. tegu 07-17-2016 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12319770)
This team isn't that good.

We don't have the lockdown bullpen like we did in 2014 & 2015.

We can control our place in the division much more than the wildcard. Our most realistic hope at this point is for the division winner to finish in wins right around or even less than the wildcard winners.

But it probably doesn't matter. Our games are not six inning games this year like they were the last two.

Nightfyre 07-17-2016 02:04 PM

The Royals should definitely be looking to deal with the Rays, imo. Matt Moore would seem to be a guy that they could extract the most value from with four controllable years. And he looks like a candidate who could benefit from a cutter against opposite handed pitching. Maybe that is something Eiland could make happen.

Additionally, we could take a stab at one of the Rays middle in-fielders given the depth they have there.

Colome might also not be a bad bullpen option, if we could get them to look at trading him.

Bowser 07-17-2016 02:06 PM

Can we just pretend that we never brought Soria back and go steal Madson and Morales back?

Prison Bitch 07-17-2016 02:07 PM

Dayton had an awful offseason. As bad as last year was good. He's why we suck this year, not Moose getting hurt

mr. tegu 07-17-2016 02:07 PM

I don't even mind not making the playoffs, especially with the injuries, but to be losing games because of what is supposed to our strength (the bullpen) infuriates me and makes it hard to swallow, especially with Soria who didn't look like a good signing when it happened, and it looks even worst now.

Anyong Bluth 07-17-2016 02:30 PM

I was really surprised when they brought back Soria, and thought it was a terrible idea especially for the money.

Anyong Bluth 07-17-2016 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12319838)
Dayton had an awful offseason. As bad as last year was good. He's why we suck this year, not Moose getting hurt

No.

It's a culmination of slumps, injuries, and the rest. I'd put the offseason moves probably 3rd at the highest.

BigCatDaddy 07-17-2016 02:44 PM

Swapping a healthy Holland for Soria was a huge downgrade to years past. The Kennedy move was just fine.

Prison Bitch 07-17-2016 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12319868)
No.

It's a culmination of slumps, injuries, and the rest. I'd put the offseason moves probably 3rd at the highest.

Excuse you, but the answer is a clear Yes.


He set fire to $50 million this year alone signing Kennedy (0.5 WAR), Gordon (0.2), Soria (0.1), Wang (0.1), Gee (-0.1), and Chris Young (-1.5). They're worse than replacement level. Daytpn is why we suck this year.

BigCatDaddy 07-17-2016 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12319937)
Excuse you, but the answer is a clear Yes.


He set fire to $50 million this year alone signing Kennedy (0.5 WAR), Gordon (0.2), Soria (0.1), Wang (0.1), Gee (-0.1), and Chris Young (-1.5). They're worse than replacement level. Daytpn is why we suck this year.

Did we expect nuch for the 3 million we gave Wang and Gee?
Young and Soria were shit signings.
Kennedy has been fine
Gordon needs to be better.and might be turning the corner.

Prison Bitch 07-17-2016 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12319956)
Did we expect nuch for the 3 million we gave Wang and Gee?
Young and Soria were shit signings.
Kennedy has been fine
Gordon needs to be better.and might be turning the corner.

Ok then, he burnt $47M to buy negative WAR

Great Expectations 07-17-2016 05:05 PM

The money spent on Kennedy, Soria, Gordon, and Young could've been used to resign Cueto and extend Moose and Hosmer.

If you remove those 4 we probably have a better record, add in Cueto and we are close to the top of the division and aren't nearly as concerned about the wild card.

tk13 07-17-2016 05:14 PM

I'm not sure Cueto pitched well enough in the American League to justify paying him that much money though. I'm not sure how well that would've gone over. I think he was huge in the World Series but some of his antics, saying Salvy held his glove too high, etc... didn't go over well.

DaneMcCloud 07-17-2016 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12320170)
The money spent on Kennedy, Soria, Gordon, and Young could've been used to resign Cueto and extend Moose and Hosmer.

If you remove those 4 we probably have a better record, add in Cueto and we are close to the top of the division and aren't nearly as concerned about the wild card.

Cueto is NOT an AL pitcher.

**** him.

Hosmer's getting a minimum of $25 million per on the open market. There's no way the Royals could have resigned Cueto and extended Hosmer & Moustakas.

That's silly talk.

Great Expectations 07-17-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12320204)
Cueto is NOT an AL pitcher.

**** him.

Hosmer's getting a minimum of $25 million per on the open market. There's no way the Royals could have resigned Cueto and extended Hosmer & Moustakas.

That's silly talk.

How Silly is Kennedy getting $24M over two years, Soria $25M over three, young 12 over two and Gordon $72M over four. Hosmer is Getting $8M this year and probably $11M in arbitration next year. That's about $53M a year, Cueto is getting $20M a year...........


Resume your silly talk about how losing Finnegan and Lamb are costing us wins.....

BigCatDaddy 07-17-2016 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12320226)
How Silly is Kennedy getting $24M over two years, Soria $25M over three, young 12 over two and Gordon $72M over four. Hosmer is Getting $8M this year and probably $11M in arbitration next year. That's about $53M a year, Cueto is getting $20M a year...........


Resume your silly talk about how losing Finnegan and Lamb are costing us wins.....

Are you complaining about 12 mill for a pitcher with a 3.8 ERA and 1.1 WHIP? I think you should see.how much avg pitchers get these days in the FA market.

Sure-Oz 07-17-2016 05:49 PM

@Buster_ESPN: Oakland's asking price for the Red Sox for Rich Hill was the same as San Diego's for Drew Pomeranz: Anderson Espinoza.

big nasty kcnut 07-17-2016 05:51 PM

holland not healthy still recovering from tommy john. Also soria must be dfa this is not a good look bring back pounder. Also must trade for a fifth pitcher and that it i trust our hitters we have now.

Great Expectations 07-17-2016 05:51 PM

I'm complaining that we didn't take his money and add it with the shit signings to go after a top of the rotation guy. I'm not happy with signing one decent pitcher and a pile of shit instead of getting a great starter and extended our current young/haven't peaked yet core guys.

Great Expectations 07-17-2016 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 12320256)
holland not healthy still recovering from tommy john. Also soria must be dfa this is not a good look bring back pounder. Also must trade for a fifth pitcher and that it i trust our hitters we have now.

Soria is good enough to be in our pen. His issue is the god awful contract; a dumb dfa doesn't solve that.

BigCatDaddy 07-17-2016 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12320257)
I'm complaining that we didn't take his money and add it with the shit signings to go after a top of the rotation guy. I'm not happy with signing one decent pitcher and a pile of shit instead of getting a great starter and extended our current young/haven't peaked yet core guys.

Cueto was too high of a risk after his AL performance last year. He even got toasted in the AS game. Volquez ended up taking the 1 spot from him last year.

Cueto had a 4.76 ERA with the Royals and you think they should have given him 150 mil?

Great Expectations 07-17-2016 06:09 PM

Cueto at $20M per year looks great. He has had a great career, isn't that old, and had some stellar post season starts for us.

Anyong Bluth 07-17-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12320262)
Soria is good enough to be in our pen. His issue is the god awful contract; a dumb dfa doesn't solve that.

No. When he comes in and it's a 50/50 tossup on if he'll shit the bed today. That's not a bullet you want in the chamber.

I think Tim Collins might be more dependable at this point.

BigCatDaddy 07-17-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12320302)
Cueto at $20M per year looks great. He has had a great career, isn't that old, and had some stellar post season starts for us.

He looks good pitching in the NL

Again 4.76 ERA with the Royals.

Great Expectations 07-17-2016 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12320303)
No. When he comes in and it's a 50/50 tossup on if he'll shit the bed today. That's not a bullet you want in the chamber.

I think Tim Collins might be more dependable at this point.

He is definitely throwing in way too high leveraged situations. He should be behind Wader, Herrera, Hoch, and a loogy, but he is good enough to be on the roster.

Prison Bitch 07-17-2016 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12320305)
He looks good pitching in the NL

Again 4.76 ERA with the Royals.

Has Ian Kennedy proved he can pitch in the AL? Medlen? Kennedy had a 5.07 FIP which is a full run above his career FIP. He's kept his official ERA below 4 because of a super low .255 BABIP. Is that sustainable? (Career .290 BABIP against)

Deberg_1990 07-17-2016 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12320302)
Cueto at $20M per year looks great. He has had a great career, isn't that old, and had some stellar post season starts for us.

He's an NL guy. He got hammered by AL pitching in he all star game. Of course, Salvy and Hosmer had inside info on him having played with him.

BigCatDaddy 07-17-2016 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12320401)
Has Ian Kennedy proved he can pitch in the AL? Medlen? Kennedy had a 5.07 FIP which is a full run above his career FIP. He's kept his official ERA below 4 because of a super low .255 BABIP. Is that sustainable? (Career .290 BABIP against)

We will see.. however to think the Royals were going to hand out, by far, the biggest contract they ever have to a guy that had a 4.8 ERA in his first stint in the AL seems a little far fetched, yes?

Kennedy is basically on a 2 year deal.


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