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DeezNutz 12-11-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8189890)
How the **** can anyone say that any head coach would be able to turn the players Haley has right now on his roster into a playoff team?

When teams hit historic lows, coaching is a part of the equation, even if the GM is a ****ing clown (which he is).

And the emotional meltdown on the part of the players today is simply the team following the HC's lead.

memyselfI 12-11-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8189856)
How about we fire Haley just because he's a pitiful ****ing HC?

This. But his backers don't want to see it. So much easier to blame people who won elsewhere than a newbie head coach with an arrogant attitude some think will lead to winning...someday.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8189987)
This. But his backers don't want to see it. So much easier to blame people who won elsewhere than a newbie head coach with an attitude some think will lead to winning...someday.

Are you seriously trying to claim that Haley deserves more blame than Pioli? WTF?

splatbass 12-11-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8189987)
This. But his backers don't want to see it. So much easier to blame people who won elsewhere than a newbie head coach with an attitude some think will lead to winning...someday.

I've never seen you, in a decade, make a post that is worth a shit.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8189933)
When teams hit historic lows, coaching is a part of the equation, even if the GM is a ****ing clown (which he is).

And the emotional meltdown on the part of the players today is simply the team following the HC's lead.

There's only so much you can do when your team falls behind and they know their offense will never get them back into the game.

I'm not going to fault the head coach if the players the GM gave him had no chance of beating a team like the Jets in the first place. Without Charles, Moeaki, Berry, and when Stanzi/Palko are your options at QB, every head coach is going to get creamed.

memyselfI 12-11-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8190010)
Are you seriously trying to claim that Haley deserves more blame than Pioli? WTF?

Yes, because he has no record of winning elsewhere. He's been unstable and difficult to work with. How hard must it be for the offense to constantly be working with a new OC every time Failey get's his period? I'd like to see this squad with an experienced and sane head coach. Could not be any worse and might actually even be better.

milkman 12-11-2011 02:35 PM

The only real positive you lay claim to for Haley is motivation.

Beyond that, his game day management of both game situations and players is questionable.

I still feel he has potential, but at this point, I simply don't believe you can move forward with him.

But, I still feel the bigger problem is Pioli, and the biggest problem is Hunt.

Then, of course, there's the QB problem.

None of those problems are getting fixed, so at the end of the day, it just doesn't ****ing matter.

milkman 12-11-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8190031)
Yes, because he has no record of winning elsewhere. He's been unstable and difficult to work with. How hard must it be for the offense to constantly be working with a new OC every time Failey get's his period? I'd like to see this squad with an experienced and sane head coach. Could not be any worse and might actually even be better.

No one cares about your opinion, bitch.

splatbass 12-11-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8190031)
Yes, because he has no record of winning elsewhere.

He almost won the Superbowl as OC with the Cardinals. He hasn't been HC anywhere else.

DeezNutz 12-11-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8190100)
He hasn't been HC anywhere else.

And he probably won't ever be after he's fired here.

jd1020 12-11-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8190100)
He almost won the Superbowl as OC with the Cardinals. He hasn't been HC anywhere else.

He did? He was behind a HoF QB, the best WR tandem in the NFL, and an offensive HC.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8190031)
Yes, because he has no record of winning elsewhere. He's been unstable and difficult to work with. How hard must it be for the offense to constantly be working with a new OC every time Failey get's his period? I'd like to see this squad with an experienced and sane head coach. Could not be any worse and might actually even be better.

Could not be any worse? Give me a ****ing break.
Unstable and difficult to work with? That's probably why Breaston followed him here and Flowers, Charles, and DJ signed long-term extension at the price of peanuts to stay here.
On the OC front, again, I still do not believe for a second that Haley had any real choice in those hires. I think Hunt/Pioli were going to hire them regardless of whether Haley wanted them.

I would like to see a squad where the front office actually spends on players, instead of asking the head coach to make gems out of 5th round picks. I'd like to see the front office make a firm commitment to get the right QB instead of arrogantly backing the starter without competition. I'd like to see the front office not try to Patriotize every ****ing thing about this team.

I think Haley's a perfectly sane coach. Most of what is wrong with KC has Pioli's paw print all over it.

DaKCMan AP 12-11-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8190094)
No one cares about your opinion, bitch.

+1

Fritz88 12-11-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8190079)
The only real positive you lay claim to for Haley is motivation.

Beyond that, his game day management of both game situations and players is questionable.

I still feel he has potential, but at this point, I simply don't believe you can move forward with him.

But, I still feel the bigger problem is Pioli, and the biggest problem is Hunt.

Then, of course, there's the QB problem.

None of those problems are getting fixed, so at the end of the day, it just doesn't ****ing matter.

You can't fix Hunt so if I had to rate the problem of KC in order of who needs to "really" get fired, I would choose Pioli. Seeing that to be impossible, I will choose Haley because he ****ing deserves to get canned anyway.

It does not seem to me that Haley is inept. I think he's a smart coach who can game plan. It's just that he has those ****ing weird mind boggling things that he does that no one and I mean no one on earth knows why he does them.

Jones, Palko, ****ed up fourth down calls, Thomas Jones, not starting Stanzi, Thomas Jones getting carries again, Sabby Piece of shit and Finally, Dexter ****luster running through the middle.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8190079)
The only real positive you lay claim to for Haley is motivation.

Beyond that, his game day management of both game situations and players is questionable.

I still feel he has potential, but at this point, I simply don't believe you can move forward with him.

But, I still feel the bigger problem is Pioli, and the biggest problem is Hunt.

Then, of course, there's the QB problem.

None of those problems are getting fixed, so at the end of the day, it just doesn't ****ing matter.

Yes, these are all accurate.

But in the end, I believe a head coach deserves to show what he can do with the right players to work with. And Haley has NOT been given a team that most head coaches could turn into a deep playoff winner. Not just Haley. Any head coach.


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