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SAUTO 01-08-2012 03:33 PM

The falcons went from high 20s to #6 last year and didn't give up three # 1s


And still got a blue-chip prospect
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chiefzilla1501 01-08-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8275359)
If he thought that other pick was a third 1st I would think he would have said that, anything else is ok by me for the #2 overall
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He said an additional pick, depending on where they're trading from.

What that sounds like to me is that even the Browns and Skins will have to offer up a #4 or #6 pick, an additional first round pick, and an additional pick (in this case, probably a lower one).

If that's the baseline, then take that same trade package and then add in what it would cost to trade down from #4 to #11. That's 550 points (basically a second rounder). So it would probably be either 3 firsts, or 2 firsts, a second rounder, and a lower pick (whatever it is the Browns offer).

chiefzilla1501 01-08-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8275375)
The falcons went from high 20s to #6 last year and didn't give up three # 1s
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It's a far different story when you're talking about #1 - a franchise QB; #2 - potentially trading your way out of a surefire blue chip pick like Blackmon

SAUTO 01-08-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8275376)
He said an additional pick, depending on where they're trading from.

What that sounds like to me is that even the Browns and Skins will have to offer up a #4 or #6 pick, an additional first round pick, and an additional pick (in this case, probably a lower one).

If that's the baseline, then take that same trade package and then add in what it would cost to trade down from #4 to #11. That's 550 points (basically a second rounder). So it would probably be either 3 firsts, or 2 firsts, a second rounder, and a lower pick (whatever it is the Browns offer).

again like I said IMO if he thought it was going to take a third #1 I would imagine he would say that. Thats VERY SIGNIFICANT, more IMO than just another pick depending where you are coming from.
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Direckshun 01-08-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8273854)
I'd also like to say again that Romeo pushed for the trade up to take Quinn....and given they overspent in draft value to get it done tells me that he isn't afraid to make the exact type of move a lot of us have been clamoring for.

HOPE is good.

All due respect, but Scott Pioli doesn't give a shit.

He passed on Clausen twice with Charlie Weis in the room.

Pioli's going to do what he's going to do. Dude has a spine of steel.

SAUTO 01-08-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8275382)
It's a far different story when you're talking about #1 - a franchise QB; #2 - potentially trading your way out of a surefire blue chip pick like Blackmon

They did trade out of a sure fire blue chipper in julio jones buddy.
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Frosty 01-08-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8274598)
Yeah, but you're assuming that was him and not Phil Savage making that move. And it's also worth noting that they passed on him with their first pick.

Here's a taste of how Romeo handled the QB situation in Cleveland. Quinn was drafted in 2007. Derek Anderson had a terrific year, so without question, he was the undisputed starter. In 2008, Anderson had a concussion in the preseason and played terribly. Halfway through the season, Romeo made the switch to Quinn. Quinn started a few games, played well, and then missed the rest of the season to injury. Anderson goes back in and plays terribly.

In 2008, Anderson did regress but a lot of it fell to injuries on the o-line and the WR's putting butter on their fingers all season, as well as Jamal Lewis playing like shit. DA is awful when he has to press. Quinn didn't play that well when he did play and both Quinn and DA ended up going on IR during the season. The 2008 season was a mess all around.

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The next season, Romeo announces Quinn is the starter. After 2 games, he hooks Quinn. He then for some reason decides to stick with Anderson for something like 10 games even though he was playing miserably bad. After finally responding to mass criticism, Romeo does the right thing and makes the QB switch.

How is this on Romeo? Mangini was the coach in '09 when this happened.

SAUTO 01-08-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8275505)

How is this on Romeo? Mangini was the coach in '09 when this happened.

Well thats not what his browns fan friends told him when they were all watching those games together.

Easy mistake though with how much romeo and mangini resemble each other
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chiefzilla1501 01-08-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8275505)
In 2008, Anderson did regress but a lot of it fell to injuries on the o-line and the WR's putting butter on their fingers all season, as well as Jamal Lewis playing like shit. DA is awful when he has to press. Quinn didn't play that well when he did play and both Quinn and DA ended up going on IR during the season. The 2008 season was a mess all around.



How is this on Romeo? Mangini was the coach in '09 when this happened.

Sorry, you're 100% right. For some reason, I thought I remembered Crennel coaching during the QB fiasco.

SAUTO 01-08-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8275677)
Sorry, you're 100% right. For some reason, I thought I remembered Crennel coaching during the QB fiasco.

It's called blind hatred. Why? Why do you hate romeo so much?
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banyon 01-08-2012 04:29 PM

If this is true, i guess I will know how most Republicans feel about nominating Romney.

It's just "Meh." Nothing to get excited about.

chiefzilla1501 01-08-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8275399)
They did trade out of a sure fire blue chipper in julio jones buddy.
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Julio Jones was a solid top 10 pick. He is not on nearly the same level as AJ Green or Blackmon, who is about as surefire as Megatron was coming out of the draft.

So the Rams lose out on a much better prospect if they trade down. And the player that would require a trade-up will be a franchise QB, something the #4 pick, the #6 pick, #8-9 pick and the #11-12 pick desperately need, triggering a trade war.

It's going to take some serious picks for Cleveland or Washington to trade up. It's going to take a shitload for Kansas City to beat those two teams out.

Frosty 01-08-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8275677)
Sorry, you're 100% right. For some reason, I thought I remembered Crennel coaching during the QB fiasco.

He actually handled the QB situation pretty well, IMO. He went with who he thought gave him the best chance to win regardless of if he was a high pick or not. A lot of people gave him grief for not playing Quinn in 2008 but, in hindsight, Quinn sucks (and was injured almost immediately) so RAC was between a rock and a hard place when DA regressed and the team was hit with injuries.

chiefzilla1501 01-08-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8275708)
It's called blind hatred. Why? Why do you hate romeo so much?
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It's not blind hatred. I've watched a lot of Browns games and just mixed up the years. Like I said, it was a dumb mistake.

And I don't hate Romeo. I think he's a phenomenal Defensive Coordinator. I don't think he's head coach material. In those Browns games, you saw a lethargic team, a team that made Herm Edwards like game management mistakes on a weekly basis, and a head coach who just didn't have the consistent fire and energy to continually ignite his team to play hard.

The book on Romeo is that he's just too nice of a guy to be a head coach. It's one thing to expect a coach to learn on the position. It's another to expect that after 30+ years of coaching, he's going to suddenly change his personality. He's always going to be a player's coach. That's a tremendous thing to have as an Assistant. As a head coach, like I said, I think in 2-3 years, the team is going to walk all over him.

Baby Lee 01-08-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon (Post 8275713)
If this is true, i guess I will know how most Republicans feel about nominating Romney.

It's just "Meh." Nothing to get excited about.

Kind of like banyon without bewbs


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