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tk13 01-16-2012 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8302459)
Depends on what you choose to believe. For example, all this talk about taping conversations and tapping cell phones, there are serious legal ramifications that could come from doing things like that without consent. I highly doubt the organization would be stupid enough to go that route.

Todd Haley sitting there talking about his personal phone being bugged, I don't buy it at all. First, that's illegal, and if they did that to you, you could probably bring a lawsuit against the team if that happened. For a guy who has sued McDonalds, he shouldn't have a problem filing a lawsuit against the team. Second, if you are truly that paranoid, again, it is your personal cell according to the article. Go get a new one...
You are right. What's going to hurt Pioli's case is he came from an organization that used illegal techniques to spy on other teams and got caught doing it. Then McDaniels went to Denver and still tried it. They have a background of espionage.

tk13 01-16-2012 12:30 PM
And yes I really just wanted to be the first person in history to use the word espionage in a post and actually be talking about the Chiefs.

gblowfish 01-16-2012 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8302418)
Danny Clinkscale has reported multiple times that the door is locked when he tries to leave.
The Chiefs don't want him fapping in the men's room.

Okie_Apparition 01-16-2012 12:34 PM
I can vaguely recall stories/rumors that Clark despised Carl, hate
Must want to purge his cronnies/informants without paying severance

gblowfish 01-16-2012 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8302491)
I can vaguely recall stories/rumors that Clark despised Carl, hate
Must want to purge his cronnies/informants without paying severance
I think it's more "fire the old people with years of service, then hire in young people with less experience for lower wages."

It's the Chiefs.
Follow the dollars.

BTW: Mark Donovan is monitoring this thread. Hi Mark!

dirk digler 01-16-2012 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8302459)
Depends on what you choose to believe. For example, all this talk about taping conversations and tapping cell phones, there are serious legal ramifications that could come from doing things like that without consent. I highly doubt the organization would be stupid enough to go that route.

Todd Haley sitting there talking about his personal phone being bugged, I don't buy it at all. First, that's illegal, and if they did that to you, you could probably bring a lawsuit against the team if that happened. For a guy who has sued McDonalds, he shouldn't have a problem filing a lawsuit against the team. Second, if you are truly that paranoid, again, it is your personal cell according to the article. Go get a new one...
Taping personal cell phones would be illegal but everything else is fair game. Businesses can monitor work phones and tape conversations all day long as long as they have consent and as long as it is in the ordinary course of business.

Okie_Apparition 01-16-2012 12:38 PM
That brings me back to Carl hiring Gretz to write a Chiefs blog on his dime after his firing
there's some grinding on at least two sides

DaWolf 01-16-2012 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8302475)
You are right. What's going to hurt Pioli's case is he came from an organization that used illegal techniques to spy on other teams and got caught doing it. Then McDaniels went to Denver and still tried it. They have a background of espionage.
Yes. One has to wonder however if the accusations or rumors of spying come from the fact that Pioli comes from the organization that brought us Spygate, and people start assuming stuff, or is it based on reality?

The problem here is that perception is reality. The organization has a lot of work ahead of itself to convince people this is not the case...

Brock 01-16-2012 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 8302496)
I think it's more "fire the old people with years of service, then hire in young people with less experience for lower wages."

It's the Chiefs.
Follow the dollars.
Yep. End of story. This is happening everywhere.

gblowfish 01-16-2012 12:44 PM
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Now we know why!

Mojo Jojo 01-16-2012 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8302502)
That brings me back to Carl hiring Gretz to write a Chiefs blog on his dime after his firing
there's some grinding on at least two sides
Source/link...? Gretz was let go before Carl was...

DaWolf 01-16-2012 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8302501)
Taping personal cell phones would be illegal but everything else is fair game. Businesses can monitor work phones and tape conversations all day long as long as they have consent and as long as it is in the ordinary course of business.
Well that's the thing, it is implied in this article that there was no consent.

If I am an employee, and I sign that form that says I understand that my emails, calls and conversations in the team facility may be monitored, then I understand what I am getting into, and won't be sending racy emails, making unauthorized calls to media to leak info, or harassing employees in meeting rooms, because you figure that's part of the reason they'd want to have those monitors in place, for stuff like that...

htismaqe 01-16-2012 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8302504)
Yes. One has to wonder however if the accusations or rumors of spying come from the fact that Pioli comes from the organization that brought us Spygate, and people start assuming stuff, or is it based on reality?

The problem here is that perception is reality. The organization has a lot of work ahead of itself to convince people this is not the case...
And again, that's part of the problem.

This FO won't try to convince anyone. They've done nothing so far to quash all of these rumors.

Okie_Apparition 01-16-2012 12:49 PM
Sadly, it falls under CP urban legend that Gretz's blog is on Carl's dime
Even Gretz admitting to it

DaWolf 01-16-2012 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8302516)
And again, that's part of the problem.

This FO won't try to convince anyone. They've done nothing so far to quash all of these rumors.
Not sure how you go about doing that outside of publicly denying it (which they did in the article), and privately explaining the situation to anyone who you want to hire, or clarifying whatever policy it is to existing employees.

The telling thing will be in terms of whether we are able to lure a good offensive coordinator to come here or not. If we have to promote internally, then I'd think this stuff has something to do with it. If we are able to lure a good coordinator candidate from another team in here, then I'll be confident that this isn't going to affect us in NFL circles...


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