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jd1020 11-10-2015 07:11 PM

Speaking of Reyes getting popped for drugs, I believe there was an ex-Cardinal in the Cubs minors that just got busted for it as well not too long ago. Adron Chambers.

BigRedChief 11-10-2015 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11875197)
Speaking of Reyes getting popped for drugs, I believe there was an ex-Cardinal in the Cubs minors that just got busted for it as well not too long ago. Adron Chambers.

It's BS. If they are on the MLB roster or even on the 40 man roster its no big deal.There hasn't been a suspension for a positive pot test in MLB since when? Ever? But, minor leaguers? Lets throw the book at them. Hypocrites.

Who in the hell thinks pot is a performance enhancer? or some kind of threat to society for burning trees?

jd1020 11-10-2015 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11875256)
It's BS. If they are on the MLB roster or even on the 40 man roster its no big deal.There hasn't been a suspension for a positive pot test in MLB since when? Ever? But, minor leaguers? Lets throw the book at them. Hypocrites.

Who in the hell thinks pot is a performance enhancer? or some kind of threat to society for burning trees?

I don't think anyone claims it to be a performance enchancer. It's a banned substance of MLB because it's an illegal drug. Even if it's legalized they'll probably still have it be banned because of the whole role model for kids deal.

Personally I think if they are going to ban pot they should ban chew. Just because its ****ing disgusting to watch a player at the plate spit. I'm looking at you Starlin Castro!

BigRedChief 11-11-2015 12:55 AM

For us old timers.........

Lou Brock lost part of his leg below the knee due to an infection associated with diabetes.

He is one of my all time favorite Cardinals. Speedy recovery Lou!

O.city 11-11-2015 08:47 AM

I think you've gotta make the decision to make some tough decisions now with an eye towards the next generation.

If they're serious about chris davis, I'm not real excited about it, but I guess I get it.

They've got alot of money coming off the books soon, but that's not a reason to just go spending.

I still think looming for a 3rd baseman and moving carp to 2nd wouldn't be a terrible idea, and I know he's never played it, but would you entertain moving Wong to short?

BigRedChief 11-11-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11876183)
I still think looming for a 3rd baseman and moving carp to 2nd wouldn't be a terrible idea, and I know he's never played it,

uhhhhh Carp has played 2nd.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-11-2015 10:17 AM

He meant Wong at short BRC. Would be a much better move that passing away millions on a 15-60 right fielder

DJ's left nut 11-11-2015 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11876183)
I think you've gotta make the decision to make some tough decisions now with an eye towards the next generation.

If they're serious about chris davis, I'm not real excited about it, but I guess I get it.

They've got alot of money coming off the books soon, but that's not a reason to just go spending.

I still think looming for a 3rd baseman and moving carp to 2nd wouldn't be a terrible idea, and I know he's never played it, but would you entertain moving Wong to short?

Wong doesn't have anywhere close to the arm strength to play SS. And frankly, for a guy that gets as frantic as a terrier on routine plays, putting him at SS strikes me as a terrible idea.

Wong's a 2b through and through. He was even playing 2b in college when he was playing alongside Garcia. And it's not as though his offense is anything to write home about so there's no benefit in making due with his defense to try to eek an extra bat in there.

BigRedChief 11-11-2015 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11864679)
<s>@</s>BNightengale also said on the BBTN podcast that he believes St. Louis would be David Price's first choice.

So why would they do this unless they are planning on trading pitching for offense?

He said the same thing on MLB now today at the winter meetings. Price's top place is STL.

Also what we suspected was true.........from STLtoday

BOCA RATON, Fla. • Before the Cardinals became aware of Lance Lynn's longterm absence to recover from elbow surgery, any interest they had in pursuing and possibly signing a free-agent starter this winter came with a string attached.


It would have led to a trade.


Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak, during a talk with reporters Wednesday at the general managers meetings, said that his team was not disinterested in the free-agent market for starters but with a full rotation their activity there would have been a hint at something else. Mozeliak said bluntly that if the team acquired a starter they would have then been looking to move a starter in a trade, possibly for the bat they desire.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-11-2015 04:25 PM

St. Louis sports talk radio is an absolute joke. "Duncan" lulz he actually refers to himself as this is an absolute abomination.

O.city 11-12-2015 10:20 AM

Braves interested in moving simmons. There's your shorthstop.

Peralta to 3rd, carp to 2nd, Wong to wherever

DJ's left nut 11-12-2015 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11877902)
Braves interested in moving simmons. There's your shorthstop.

Peralta to 3rd, carp to 2nd, Wong to wherever

JIMP!

Yeah, I love love LOVE me some Andrelton Simmons. I'd pony up for that guy. I love Flaherty (my 2nd favorite pitcher in the system) but if they asked for him, done. Unfortunately Marco took a step back or he'd be a perfect get for them. Adding a LHSP w/ #3 upside would be a little bit light, but it would be a great start.

The Miller trade worked out very well for them, I'd have to think they'd be willing to work with Mozeliak again.

BigRedChief 11-12-2015 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11877919)
JIMP!

Yeah, I love love LOVE me some Andrelton Simmons. I'd pony up for that guy. I love Flaherty (my 2nd favorite pitcher in the system) but if they asked for him, done. Unfortunately Marco took a step back or he'd be a perfect get for them. Adding a LHSP w/ #3 upside would be a little bit light, but it would be a great start.

The Miller trade worked out very well for them, I'd have to think they'd be willing to work with Mozeliak again.

Rumor/Twitter/Blogs all have something similiar that theBraves want Reyes/Gonzales for Simmons

How many years of control does he have left?

BigRedChief 11-12-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11874814)
Why not just transition?

Let's just exhale, look around for some possible long-term solutions and yes, if necessary, keep our powder dry.

I think Mo is going big. He keeps saying stuff like this below. Seems to me he is telegraphing that the bankroll is on the table along with previously untouchable players.

“How long can you take the body blows?” Mozeliak said. “That’s why thinking about outside markets and understanding that maybe it’s time to be more aggressive there might make sense. … If we’re compelled to do something that may be a little bit out of our comfort zone, it could happen from time to time.”

DJ's left nut 11-12-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11877934)
Rumor/Twitter/Blogs all have something similiar that theBraves want Reyes/Gonzales for Simmons

How many years of control does he have left?

Well...no.

You can't have Reyes and Gonzalez. You can't even have Reyes.

But Weaver and Gonzalez? Maybe Wong and Gonzalez? I'd consider both of those.

He's under control through 2020 with salaries that go 6/8/11/13/15

So he's due just a tick under $11 million/year for the next 5 years. I'd say there's a surplus monetary value there of about $30 million. He's a pretty weak stick, but his glove is so good he could probably get in the $15-$17 million/season on the market.

Is trading Reyes worth $30 million in surplus value? Nope.


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