Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16836738)

It doesn't matter if Hopkins=Hill, in relative terms, they're the same. A huge cap hit WR that means you either force feed them the ball or are poor cap value. A return to 'stars and scrubs'. A huge cap hit that means you almost certainly have to cut MVS (or other players) which weakens your overall team in a year where we're paying more than 20% of our cap to the QB.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16836738)

'Andy's directive' as you call it would always be in play, but not in the way you and so many others are thinking. You do a Hopkins deal, you're ****ing your team two years down the road. We'll certainly add weapons, but it will be in the draft, and we'll develop them, because we HAVE TO.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16836738)

If we're going to throw money around, do it where it really can make a difference; finish shoring up the offensive line and get yourself at least one upgrade at OT. It would be nice to watch a healthy Mahomes in the Super Bowl for a change.

We're going to need to live and die by the draft for a couple of years here. Fortunately, Veach has done exceptionally well these last couple of drafts, and there's every reason to believe that we'll continue to do well there-no matter what you say about it. We have a GM, head coach and offensive system, defensive coordinator and system well entrenched and in tune with each other. That's why these last couple of drafts have gone so well, it's not magic, it's experience and knowing exactly who fits and who doesn't.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16837582)

Some of you guys are gonna be really disappointed when you find out hitting on 80% of your draft picks is unlikely to happen again in the next decade.

Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 16837589)

Can't hit on a pick if you don't have one. (2nd rounder +)

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16837548)

DHop averages about 8 tgts/gm. So, don't see why you'd have to force-feed him the ball. He allows Andy to dictate terms to the defense in ways he couldn't this season. And his cap hit can be structured.



This isn't realistic. Depending solely on the draft to develop high echelon players is what NE did. They produced no quality offensive players in that time. Now, I believe Andy/Veach can do better, but opting to ignore perfectly good, reasonably pirced offensive talent just because we didn't draft them is not very intelligent.



Here's the thing, and this is all I'm really doing here, because I've already said multiple times that I don't think DHop will be a Chief.

The thread title is "Do we WANT DHop?" I think the answer should be yes, no question. The value of his performance on the field is obvious, or should be. He's a prototypical WCO WR. He's exactly what Bill Walsh would've wanted, period. Next, he would take some of the pressre off Kelce to be Superman in every big game. thirdly, he'd get open early and Mahomes wuldn't have to run so much. Fourth, he could be a great influence on our young WR room.

Now, you want to bring up the cap hit, which has legs (and is the number one reason I don't think he's going to be a Chief), and for some reason how it would force Pat to throw umpteen hundred balls at him, and mess up the offense. This is just speculation, especially the second part. You also want to have blind faith that we'll just draft and develop enough top-tier WR talent through the draft for the next two or three seasons, in spite of the fact that we're drawing from the bottom of the pile, and will be for the foreseeable future. That's not a great recipe for success. It's not impossible, but the odds aren't stacked in our favor by any means.

And it strikes me as odd that you think Veach will just eternally pull rabbits out of his ass every year. Probability doesn't exactly support the notion, for any GM in history. Veach has done extremely well over the last two drafts, but it's a safer bet to believe that the math will catch up to him eventually and he won't draft quite so many solid players each and every year. Some years he'll do better than others. That's just the cold math of it.

Anyway, my function here is to build DHop's value through facts with as little speculation as possible, in response to the OP, in order to carry on the conversation. Your job (and others) is to diminish his value, I guess.

And why am I playing DA?

Because it's going to be a long offseason. I need something to amuse myself other than Jackson Mahomes doing stupid shit, et al.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16837451)

No, I wouldn't.

Would you bring in D-Hop to replace Hardman's role?

Probably not. Why would you take away the guy that was brought in to do exactly that?

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16837582)

Some of you guys are gonna be really disappointed when you find out hitting on 80% of your draft picks is unlikely to happen again in the next decade.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16836369)

This is what I really just don't get at all.

Why on Earth would you pay top dawg money for a WR that hasn't played a game in over a year? you have no idea whether he can play a single down right now.

I mean, when I buy a truck, and up until last year i bought them all used. All 5 of them. And one thing for sure, I drive the ****ing thing first before I even think about wanting to buy it. I am not dropping actual money on a daily truck without knowing it will start, run down the street, go down the highway for a piece, up a hill, down a dirt road. Then I think about whether I'm buying.

And for certain I'm not buying a truck from the former owner when he tells me, "hey, the tranny went bad on it two years ago, but I had it repaired, and it should drive fine. I personally haven't taken it out for an actual drive, just up and down the driveway, but I'm pretty sure it'll go down the road okay."

Dhop has been largely healthy outside of what? Two injuries? Not the same injury twice (seems i know a WR that did exactly that?), but two different injuries? So, I know DHop will be available week 1. I'm at least 90% certain of it. And I saw him play at a high level just a couple months ago.

Will OBJ? Has anyone seen him even run full speed in over a year? Run a route? Jump? And the fool wants like $20M just so someone can find out if he might be able to play?

Nope. I'm all the way out on that.

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16837664)

I'm talking about getting him for what he's worth. Like a JJSS contract. No one is gonna give him anything close to $20 mil/yr, so if that's legit what he wants and won't accept less than he just won't be in the league.