I think the real interesting question that's about to set up... say Roethlisberger gets to the Super Bowl again, does he pass Brady as the best QB in the NFL today...

Vinatieri is the VERY DEFINITION of the term "clutch player"...

It's easy for a kicker to be clutch...or a basketball player...or even a baseball player

a QB? a RB? a WR? A defensive player? Meh. Not so much...because EVERYONE has to be working as a team in football...every player has to be at the right spot...and every call has to be the right call...or you're ****ed.

Michael Jordan was clutch almost every single time. He was clutch. CLUTCH CLUTCH CLUTCH.

we've seen Brady and Manning both be clutch...and both be total stiffs...

so how can you consider someone like that clutch?

you can't

football is too much of a team sport to have clutch performers...overused term

was Big Ben clutch because he threw a ball as far as he could and a rookie receiver made a catch? Sure...I guess...I'm not quite sure why the Ravens weren't covering that...

but damn

I'd say he was lucky, not clutch.

It depends on how the SB plays out if it's Roethliberger and Rodgers.

If the Pack win it, then I think we start seeing a debate between the two of them.

I just think it's interesting how quickly you notice the rep comments you get. And how much you insist on referencing to the system. I use it mainly for messaging now because it's convenient. But if you wanna bring up with the 'people feel sorry for me' thing, I've had ten times the neg rep since I've been back on the planet than I did before.

I don't think clutch exists in a team sport like football...

maybe there are clutch coordinators or playcallers

That's ****ing stupid. There's players that play better when they need to and won't let you down, then there's ****ing chokers.

so who is clutch and who is a choker in today's NFL?

please

I'd like to know

I like to think there are players that can perform at their best in key moments of the game, but can't out perform what they've already accomplished. Or, say a player goes on a hot streak in the playoffs, would you consider that player clutch? Or just playing at the highest level he possibly could in the playoffs(Example:Cody Ross)?

Man, we all had a little Hootie luck of our own not taking some of that action.

Manning was a choker according to some when they lost to the Jets last week...

So why isn't Brady a choker today?

(IMO, both QB's played ok enough...both defenses let their teams down)

Clearly, in a team sport, other players have to step up and make plays.

But in football, on the field, it all starts with the QB.

The ones that step up consistently and make critical plays are clutch.

I'm not sure...

I think players can certainly be chokers...but it's more evident in a sport like basketball or baseball.

Football is a different beast...it's too precise...and you have to depend on 11 guys being on the same page at all times...

when the Colts lost and Manning threw his line under the bus...you don't think they deserved to be under the bus?

The whole idea I've argued about for years and years and years is Brady has never been more clutch than Manning...

He was "clutch" in 1 Super Bowl game (the Panthers game) when both defenses were just in shootout mode (and it still took a CLUTCH field goal to win)...

Both QB's are great...and both have and will continue to only go as far as the rest of their team takes them...

Not even the Michael Jordan of QB's could have won with the Pats defense this week...or the Colts defense last week...

Football is too team orientated...

and I think it's time to stop always blaming the QB every time a team loses...

it wasn't Brady's fault this week, it wasn't Manning's fault the week before, and it wasn't Cassel's (not all of it at least) fault when we lost...

I'm just astonished that the Jets put their money where their mouth was...I didn't see them beating Indy (although I thought it was possible)...they did. I didn't see them beating New England (and I thought it wasn't possible)...they did.

Props to them. No more Jets bashing. They proved me totally wrong...oh well. Time for me to move on and stop speaking in absolutes. I learn from my mistakes.

Hollywood loves the Jets, all the golden globe girls were in green

lol

It's obvious the Sanchez is better than Brady right?

well hey

and this is because I can

brady shouldn't get any credit

he was a SUPERSTAR CLUTCH QB who never put up the numbers but always won in the postseason during their spygate dynasty

now he's a SUPERSTAR REGULAR SEASON QB A LA PEYTON MANNING who keeps losing at home in the playoffs after their spygate dynasty

so uh...

???

time for us to start taking a longer look at this spygate and taking away these Super Bowls from their franchise for being such cheaters (oh wait, we can't, Goodell destroyed all of the damning evidence to protect the game's integrity)