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Katipan 07-27-2005 10:57 AM

i'll read what everyone wrote after i post...

but i'd do everything in my power to let my spouse have such a wonderful trip. work.. babysitters... kids... sounds like a typical day in a lot of women's lives. i have every faith you could do it for a week.

PastorMikH 07-27-2005 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
So....

for all of you saying that Vegas Dave should say no, let's reverse the situation.


Your boss, or a key supplier for you self-employed folks, is female. Almost all of your coworkers are male. The boss tells everyone that, as an end-of-year reward, she wants to take all of you camping and fishing for a week at Lake Powell, or Alaska, or some other cool place. No spouses allowed.

You guys would all turn that down?



I would turn it down first of all out of respect for my wife. I think the biggest thing I struggle with is that there isn't a choice. The proviso "No Spouses Allowed" is what gets me. Now, I would have no problem with, "If your spouses go, they pay their own way" - in that case I wouldn't even have a problem with "Hey, you go, I'll watch the kids here". It's that "No Spouses Allowed" stipulation that bothers me.

jspchief 07-27-2005 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
So....

for all of you saying that Vegas Dave should say no, let's reverse the situation.


Your boss, or a key supplier for you self-employed folks, is female. Almost all of your coworkers are male. The boss tells everyone that, as an end-of-year reward, she wants to take all of you camping and fishing for a week at Lake Powell, or Alaska, or some other cool place. No spouses allowed.

You guys would all turn that down?

I was going to say the same thing, except I don't believe the gender of the boss has any bearing. You should be able to trust your wife to not fuck her boss on the trip or anywhere else for that matter. If she's an adulterous slut, it's time for a divorce anyway.

As someone who's been on several "man only" trips provided by business contacts, I see this from a different viewpoint. There's nothing wrong with spending time away from your spouse on occasion. In fact, I'd say it makes a marriage healthier.

It sounds to me like you're just pissed that you'll be saddled with all the kids/housework for a week. To me, that's a small price to pay to allow your wife to get what's possibly a once in a lifetime experience for her. If she wants to go, you need to man up, sacrifice a little, and give her what she wants. Then the next time you're buddies are planning that golf outing to the coast, she has no good reason to keep you from going.

Chiefs Pantalones 07-27-2005 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas_Dave
My wife works for an orthodontist. As with many dental practices, it is mainly a female environment. In this case, between his 2 offices, the only 2 guys who work there are himself and the other orthodontist he employs.

Most of the women in this office are single and frankly, most of them are downright b*tches.

So the doctor (who is LDS) always like to treat his women to something big at the end of the year. Last year, it was take them all to Celine Dion and a REALLY expensive dinner and then give them each about $1000 that they had to spend on themselves at the Forum at Ceasars.

Sounds great...

This year, I find out that he wants to take all of them to New York for a week, all expenses and shows paid.

Wow, sounds like a nice guy...

Wait for it...

Spouses are not allowed.

This is not a selfish why cant I go thing with me. But my wife and I have 2 very youung boys, 1 & 3 years old. I work my ass off running my family business. She and I have wanted to go to New York together for quite a while. Also, lets keep in mind that she does not get along with most of the women in her office.

Not to mention that in my opinion, any big thing like that or employee party should always be spouses invited (since I am an employer myself).

So is it bad of me to be opposed to her going? Am I wrong in thinking, OK, my wife goes to New York without me, somewhere we have wanted to go together, and I have to work my ass off at work, spend a total of 2 hours per day for a week trekking my 2 boys all over town for babysitting, not to mention then having to be the sole provider for them every waking moment during that time while she is having a blast, Without her husband...

serious opinions needed....

I seriously could bunch the shit out of my walls right now.

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Katipan 07-27-2005 10:59 AM

my god... i guess i have an interesting marriage going by the responses in this thread.

Iowanian 07-27-2005 11:00 AM

If it were for a conference, class, trade show et al....I'd agree with Dart.

Business is business, and pleasure is pleasure.

My job requires me to go overnight some, to conferences, meetings, classes et al.....without my wife.

I'd never consider traveling across the country, on a pleasure trip with my female boss where my family wasn't invited. A fishing trip with the boys from work is one thing..........a week being whined and dined is a 2nd honeymoon, not a business trip.

Its not about Trust, because I'd never cheat........Its about Responsibility and Respect. I completely trust and respect my wife........and She's allowed to choose to do whatever she wants to do. I guarantee Mine wouldn't choose to go on that trip.

Some Decisions would have consequences..some have benefits.

If she chooses not to go, I figure you owe her a weekend away.

Chiefnj 07-27-2005 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod
I guess I'm in the minority too. I would make it her decision and if she wants to go, then so be it. If trust is an issue, then your marriage isn't worth crap to begin with.

Dartgod hit the nail on the head. The first issue is trust. If you trust her, then you should leave it up to her. She should recognize the child care situation and your work demands and try to work it out with you.

It seems unfair that he let the single women decide if spouses should go. Perhaps if all the married women asked if husbands could come if they pay their own airfare, etc., he'll let them.

jspchief 07-27-2005 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian
A fishing trip with the boys from work is one thing..........a week being whined and dined is a 2nd honeymoon, not a business trip.

What's the difference? How's a fishing trip different than broadway and shopping?

Iowanian 07-27-2005 11:04 AM

the Fact that the DOCTORS' wives and kids are going...but "spouses" aren't, basically means that DAVE can't go.

Screw that noise.....If THEIR spouses and kids are going.....it'd be a problem. The Boss might not fund Their trips....but shouldn't Exclude them.

Whats good for the Goose....

Dartgod 07-27-2005 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Dartgod hit the nail on the head. The first issue is trust. If you trust her, then you should leave it up to her. She should recognize the child care situation and your work demands and try to work it out with you.

It seems unfair that he let the single women decide if spouses should go. Perhaps if all the married women asked if husbands could come if they pay their own airfare, etc., he'll let them.

I would also point out that my wife would most likely turn it down. But if she wanted to go I wouldn't have a problem with it.

KCTitus 07-27-2005 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian
Its not about Trust, because I'd never cheat........Its about Responsibility and Respect. I completely trust and respect my wife........and She's allowed to choose to do whatever she wants to do. I guarantee Mine wouldn't choose to go on that trip.

same here...

Iowanian 07-27-2005 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
What's the difference? How's a fishing trip different than broadway and shopping?

Is my wealthy, female boss, who said my family can't come along funding the entire trip and sharing the cabin?
Dave's wife will be taken to a store, given a grand and told "you can spend this here".

Will my wealthy, female boss, who is funding the fishing trip be swingin the Limo into the Lumber Yard and giving me $500 and saying "you can spend this, but only in the champaign room"?


I trust my wife completely, and I'm assuming that V-Dave trusts his..........My Radar is just going off and I smell a skunk.....a rich skunk.

I'd view things entirely differently if the proposition were "Everyone from work is going to NYC...we're allowed to bring our families, but we have to pay your way" and then I said "thanks, but I would rather pull out my toenails than go to a broadway show....have a good time, I'll watch the kids"

KC Kings 07-27-2005 11:07 AM

Let me get this right, you are upset because you can't go watch broadway shows for a week?

It wouldbe odd for a wife to go to NY without her husband, but I think it is odd for a mother and father to go on a weeks vacation without the kids, so I guess it would depend on your family's lifestyle.

I don't blame the boss at all for not wanted to bring spouses, because if he paid for your wife x's 2 then he would have to bother with paying for all the single girls to bring a guest also if he wanted to be fair. Does your wife care about going by herself? If so has she talked to her boss about not going? Maybe he will find something optional to give her in leiu of the travel expenses.

Katipan 07-27-2005 11:09 AM

am i missing something here? it's going to be an older.. not 20something man... surrounded by a bunch of women going to fruity shows.

wow. sounds like a real manly romantic honeymoon type day.

Katipan 07-27-2005 11:09 AM

hey! lol


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