ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   AFC Team Reports: Chiefs (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=160656)

StcChief 04-02-2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
I predict that people will be SHOCKED by Brodie Croyle's arm. When was the last time we had a starting quarterback with a real live cannon?

When was the last time we had receivers to catch a ball from a cannon arm.

htismaqe 04-02-2007 03:16 PM

The point is, you don't just throw a new contract at somebody who has 3 years left on their existing contract, just because they might be your starter next year.

See Larry Johnson, who is still playing under his rookie deal despite setting team single-season rushing records in back-to-back seasons.

The REAL indicator of who the start might be is not Croyle's contract, but rather HUARD'S.

If you REALLY believe that the Chiefs have intended for Huard to start all along, then you also have to be willing to believe that Huard and his agent are the biggest dopes to ever grace professional football, because he accepted a contract, before free agency even STARTED, that is WELL BELOW market value for a starting QB in the NFL.

greg63 04-02-2007 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
The point is, you don't just throw a new contract at somebody who has 3 years left on their existing contract, just because they might be your starter next year.

See Larry Johnson, who is still playing under his rookie deal despite setting team single-season rushing records in back-to-back seasons.

The REAL indicator of who the start might be is not Croyle's contract, but rather HUARD'S.

If you REALLY believe that the Chiefs have intended for Huard to start all along, then you also have to be willing to believe that Huard and his agent are the biggest dopes to ever grace professional football, because he accepted a contract, before free agency even STARTED, that is WELL BELOW market value for a starting QB in the NFL.


Good point; I concede. It will still surprise me to see Croyle start.

pikesome 04-02-2007 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
If you REALLY believe that the Chiefs have intended for Huard to start all along, then you also have to be willing to believe that Huard and his agent are the biggest dopes to ever grace professional football, because he accepted a contract, before free agency even STARTED, that is WELL BELOW market value for a starting QB in the NFL.

Huard probably knew he'd start for 1 season or less regardless of which team he went to. He's already here, he's male, he probably likes to move as much as the rest of us. That's not a position you get all Carl-headed from.

bdeg 04-02-2007 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey
If Brodie has as good an arm as Green, I'll be happy. If he plays half as smart as Green has over the last five years, I'll be even happier. But that's just me.

I'm assuming at least Croyle can get it to LJ above his knees.

And is this TrINT we're talking about?

He has been good but he's had a great OLine in front of him(Roaf protecting his blindside), plus TG which along with Kennison and our running game I think make up for the rest of our WRs. He ran the offense they asked him to run and he did it great. But that doesn't mean he didn't make some pretty damn poor decisions.

htismaqe 04-02-2007 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikesome
Huard probably knew he'd start for 1 season or less regardless of which team he went to. He's already here, he's male, he probably likes to move as much as the rest of us. That's not a position you get all Carl-headed from.

If he knew he'd only start for one season, he'd be MORE inclined to go for the big money, not less. It's his last chance at starter money.

Most guys in the NFL only get ONE shot at a big pay day.

And the "he likes KC and didn't want to move" argument just simply doesn't hold any water. We're talking about guys that make millions of dollars a year...

crazycoffey 04-02-2007 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg
I'm assuming at least Croyle can get it to LJ above his knees.

And is this TrINT we're talking about?

He has been good but he's had a great OLine in front of him(Roaf protecting his blindside), plus TG which along with Kennison and our running game I think make up for the rest of our WRs. He ran the offense they asked him to run and he did it great. But that doesn't mean he didn't make some pretty damn poor decisions.


And......


I don't understand your point. You think Green's success was a product of scheme and a good o-line alone? Then, in your mind, where does Payton and Brady stand in those areas? They both have good lines and good schemes, they run the offense they are supposed to run, they both put up good numbers/ ratings, yards, TD's, etc.

Take away only last year, and Green was highly under-rated as a productive QB in his time with KC. During that timeframe it would be a hard sell to say there were many better options, a handfull at best, though personally I think he should have been considered one of the best two or three.

So back to the origins of my statement, to say that Brodie is destined to suck because he is like Green is moronic.

kepp 04-02-2007 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs
I'm good with it. As long as it is "rebuilding", I am 100% behind it. No matter what the record. I won't bitch and moan one time the entire season, and you can pull this thread back up and remind me of this fact if I should go back on my word.

I totally agree. I hate losing, but if it's going towards building a better-than-average future, I'll support it.

keg in kc 04-02-2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey
Take away only last year, and Green was highly under-rated as a productive QB in his time with KC.

Take away 2001 and last year.

pikesome 04-02-2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
If he knew he'd only start for one season, he'd be MORE inclined to go for the big money, not less. It's his last chance at starter money.

Most guys in the NFL only get ONE shot at a big pay day.

And the "he likes KC and didn't want to move" argument just simply doesn't hold any water. We're talking about guys that make millions of dollars a year...

Up to a certain point. I don't know Huard's checkbook but he might be at the spot where he doesn't want to chase that big paycheck anymore. Maybe he wants to be at home in his Bark-o-Lounger at the beginning of the 2008 season. What ever the reasons, you're right. He's got BU money and it's time for Brodie to quit getting splinters in his butt.

StcChief 04-02-2007 03:39 PM

If Herm has 20 new faces of 53 in Sept. is that rebuilding

I would call it that. if the NFL team avg is 15 new ones.

htismaqe 04-02-2007 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikesome
Up to a certain point. I don't know Huard's checkbook but he might be at the spot where he doesn't want to chase that big paycheck anymore. Maybe he wants to be at home in his Bark-o-Lounger at the beginning of the 2008 season. What ever the reasons, you're right. He's got BU money and it's time for Brodie to quit getting splinters in his butt.

Starter money in this league is EASILY three times what he got from the Chiefs.

The only legitimate reason he could have for not chasing that kind of money is that he KNOWS HE'S NOT GONNA BE THE STARTER.

Fairplay 04-02-2007 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
Finally a quarterback with a real arm.



Im glad its not fake, that would suck.

bdeg 04-02-2007 03:42 PM

Ya, I spose. He had 24 picks in 01, 17 in 04.

I just think he was a good QB put in a great situation.

Logical 04-02-2007 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
Let me ask you this:

What else would you propose we do with that cap money?

The cap went WAY up, we've got tons of space. We don't win anything for leaving that money sitting there doing nothing. We might as well try to get a few stop-gap players with it. Those contracts won't prevent us from going out and getting other free agents and/or getting players at those positions in the draft. It's essentially free cap space.

I agree that if Nap plays better than he played for Oakland it is not a bad deal. As to Edwards money frankly I would say either only sign younger free agents or use the money on an existing player that is quality to lock them up long term.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:07 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.