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Vick should get a lifetime ban. Remember pete rose? While he is not gambling on the outcome of games he has played in, it is iilegal gambling. It is also animal cruelty. Depending on the evidence he might plea, but he is finished. If not Goodell is all talk.

I hope making a couple of extra bucks off this was worth it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I hope making a couple of extra bucks off this was worth it. :rolleyes:

Eric seems to think so.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

You can plea bargain to a lesser charge / roll over on someone to get it dropped or reduced...

Dave

Even that, he won't get away. This is a Federal indictment, I don't think Vick and his posse can wave their magic wand and make this go away.

Here are some of the facts that are coming out about the indictment:

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In March 2003, after a pit bull from Bad Newz Kennels lost in a fight, it said Peace consulted with Vick about the losing dog's condition, then executed it by wetting it with water and electrocuting it;

In March 2003, after two Bad Newz Kennels dog lost fights to dogs owned by a cooperating witness, it alleged that Vick retrieved a bag containing $23,000 and gave it to the owner of the winning dogs. One of the fights had a $20,000 purse;

In the fall of 2003, a person witnessing a dog fight involving one of the dogs trained by Bad Newz Kennels incurred the ire of another cooperating witness by yelling out Vick's name in front of the crowd during the fight.
It also said that after establishing Bad Newz Kennels in early 2002, Vick and the others obtained shirts and headbands promoting their affiliation with the kennel.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP&gt1=10239

These don't sound like trumped-up charges to me. They've got witnesses who were there, cooperating with the investigation, testifying. Vick could cop a plea, but remember, if he does that it's going to carry with it guilt, which means Goodall will wave *his* magic wand and suspend Vick, probably for a good long time.

I think he's in real deep shit here.

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Originally Posted by Coach

I think he's in real deep shit here.

He's gonna need a big pooper-scooper then.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A life time ban. What about the guys who play poker on the internet at home, also illegal gambling. So he watched some dog fights, knew about dogs fighting. Big deal. You can beat women with guns, no big deal though. Fighting dogs, o ya, life time ban.

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A life time ban. What about the guys who play poker on the internet at home, also illegal gambling. So he watched some dog fights, knew about dogs fighting. Big deal. You can beat women with guns, no big deal though. Fighting dogs, o ya, life time ban.

Maybe that's all he did but it appears the Feds think it was more, a lot more. I don't know if he's guilty anymore than you know he's innocent. If he gets a conviction I would guess a lifetime ban isn't unlikely. A federal conviction for a rather cruel and bloody sport like this isn't something the NFLPA or NFL will want around.

A lifetime ban is pretty excessive. Hopefully he would at least get a sizable suspension.

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Clayton's take. I'm not sure I agree that the Falcons will be able to start Vick all season. Dog lovers are going to crucify him. I'm not sure the Falcons will be able to stand the bad PR. This is a nightmare for that franchise.

Beginning of end for Vick in Atlanta?
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
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Updated: July 17, 2007, 7:24 PM ET
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The Falcons put all of their hopes for 2007 in the hands of Michael Vick. Despite Tuesday's indictment of Vick in a Virginia dogfighting probe, the Falcons have no choice but to stand by him. The reason: Atlanta traded Vick's possible replacement, Matt Schaub, to Houston. At the time, it seemed to be the wise thing, and an indictment doesn't necessarily make that situation any different.

Owner Arthur Blank hired Bobby Petrino to make Vick a better quarterback. The owner believes Petrino's imaginative college style could be creative enough to make Vick a more accomplished thrower. Vick's dedication in spending extra time working at the team facility this offseason gave Blank hope that his plan was correct.

The problem facing Vick and the Falcons now is the case, which could consume most of the season, and could bring down the team. Blank must presume Vick is innocent and let the legal process take its course. Commissioner Roger Goodell must do the same. Vick must be treated as a first-time offender in the league's new conduct policy, so he must be found guilty or admit guilt before the commissioner can suspend him.

While standing by Vick appears to be the short-term solution, there should be no doubt 2007 is the beginning of the end of the Vick era in Atlanta. Blank is a businessman who espouses high principles. Vick is the face of the franchise and a sports icon in the Southeast. Whether he's guilty or innocent, Vick would have to prove the federal government made a major mistake in indicting him to salvage his reputation throughout the area.

Cases such as these are hard to prove. Nevertheless, whatever evidence is presented against Vick is going to cause permanent damage. Dogfighting is an illegal and disgusting sport. A sports star can't be linked to such activity. Watch how fast sponsors and advertisers bail on Vick now.

From the football side, though, Petrino and Blank must let Vick report to training camp and be the starter for this season. Joey Harrington is the backup. While Harrington did some good things in resurrecting his career in Miami, he is not going to make the Falcons a playoff team, and Blank and Petrino aren't going to accept anything less than a playoff trip.

With the indictment hanging over him, though, Vick can't go into seclusion. He'll be asked questions about the case at every news conference. For now, the 2007 season belongs to Vick. But one gets the feeling it's going to be an ugly ending to an era in Atlanta sports that started with so much promise.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

I guess Sandy Eggo go the best out of that trade. Brees and Tomlinson for the dog fighter punk.

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Originally Posted by Cochise

A lifetime ban is pretty excessive. Hopefully he would at least get a sizable suspension.

Which would effectively mean a ban. At his age and past production, if he sits more than a year I doubt any team would bring him back even as a backup.

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Originally Posted by pikesome

Which would effectively mean a ban. At his age and past production, if he sits more than a year I doubt any team would bring him back even as a backup.

Oh, give me a break. In a quarterback starved league like the NFL, he'd most certainly get another starting job. He's tailor-made for the Raiders.

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Originally Posted by pikesome

Which would effectively mean a ban. At his age and past production, if he sits more than a year I doubt any team would bring him back even as a backup.

This thread is punny.

He'd make a good scatback.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, give me a break. In a quarterback starved league like the NFL, he'd most certainly get another starting job. He's tailor-made for the Raiders.

But he hasn't played that good so far in his career. If he gets the multi season ban he'd be at least 29-30 before he could come back. Unless he learns to be a smart pocket passer while he's at home, his primary weapon would be speed which should be slower. It's unlikely that the legs would continue to work like they did a couple of years ago. Add to that the stigma and PR problems of a Fed conviction and I'd say he's done. Even the Raiders would be wary of signing him in the new NFL.

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

This thread is punny.

He'd make a good scatback.

Not a terrible idea but I think a conviction would scare people off. He still has to be convicted for any of this to even happen though.