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Chiefnj2 11-25-2007 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover
What I don't understand is that many of you have said that you want to rebuild, but when we actually start the process you bitch, cry and demand the HC to be fired.

I'm willing to rebuild, thats why I'm thrilled to see Croyle and Smith on the field and starting.

I'm happy rebuilding. I just wish Herm wouldn't touch or influence the offensive gameplan.

cdcox 11-25-2007 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger
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I have been wondering this for a few weeks. So many at the beginning of the season said they could care less of what happened during the season as long as some of the new players got PT and we could see what we got. Well now we are playing those young players and losing but in the true CP way we are going to bitch and complain about something. :shake:

So we can't want Croyle to play AND want Herm to at least attempt to get a first down against Indy AND want him to manage his time outs better against Oakland. The things people are complaining about are separate issues and are not mutually exclusive. You don't have the same people complaining about not play Croyle one week and calling him a bust the next.

Hoover 11-25-2007 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
If they are rebuilding, be honest about it. Donnie Edwards has been a great addition to the defense this year, but bringing him in at this stage of his career has zero to do with rebuilding. If you were truly rebuilding, you wouldn't sign LJ to a long term deal, because a rebuilding project is going to extend beyiond his productive years.

The other thing is if you are going to build something, build something worth building. A perennial playoff contender is not worth building. Build a dynasty. Your goal should be to build the best Offensive Unit and the Best Defensive Unit in the NFL. Your goal should be to shut every team out and to score a TD on ever possession.

rebuilding doesn't take that long in the NFL with free agency and solid drafts.

I think LJ has plenty of gas in the take as he has only been the starter for 2 years. We just need to focus him, he needs to want a championship.

I don't have a problem with bringing in a player like Edwards. Sure he is on the downside, but not every position can be staffed with a young promising player.

Mecca 11-25-2007 10:41 PM

LJ is going to be completely done by 09....he's already showing signs. If anyone thinks he'll be anymore than a marginally productive Eddie George later years type by then, they are asking a ton.

And once again Cdcox is right on the money....the Chiefs should but giant band aids on their helmets it's the whole mantra of this organizations thought of how to build a team.

cdcox 11-25-2007 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover
rebuilding doesn't take that long in the NFL with free agency and solid drafts.

I think LJ has plenty of gas in the take as he has only been the starter for 2 years. We just need to focus him, he needs to want a championship.

I don't have a problem with bringing in a player like Edwards. Sure he is on the downside, but not every position can be staffed with a young promising player.

Realistically, we're still going to have to turn over half our starting line up in order to compete for a SB, when you consider the ages of some of our starters. You can't do that in a year or two. Not to mention that the QB situation will take a few years to resolve/develop.

RedThat 11-25-2007 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
Realistically, we're still going to have to turn over half our starting line up in order to compete for a SB, when you consider the ages of some of our starters. You can't do that in a year or two. Not to mention that the QB situation will take a few years to resolve/develop.

Realistically, the first thing we have to do is clean up the FO first, and put together a competent FO before you can put together a competent roster.

cdcox 11-25-2007 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull
Realistically, the first thing we have to do is clean up the FO first, and put together a competent FO before you can put together a competent roster.

That would be my preference.

Mecca 11-25-2007 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
Realistically, we're still going to have to turn over half our starting line up in order to compete for a SB, when you consider the ages of some of our starters. You can't do that in a year or two. Not to mention that the QB situation will take a few years to resolve/develop.

Considering we are talking good starters, and not doing things like playing Jeff Webb.

Hammock Parties 11-25-2007 10:50 PM

Talent doesn't matter. Our head coach is Herm Edwards.

Mecca 11-25-2007 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
That would be my preference.

If Clark is like his dad I'll probably die before this franchise wins anything.

kcchiefsus 11-25-2007 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger
You all relize that Garrett was brought in to take over the reigns in Dallas right? Jerry Jones has even said as much. No way does Dallas let their golden child get away.

If the Chiefs were willing to pay him enough then there is no way they can stop us. Besides, with Dallas doing as well as they are do you think they are going to mess with a winning formula? Barring a late season collapse I think the Cowboys would be wise to stick with Phillips. No team goes to the super bowl or even deep into the playoffs and then turns around and fires their head coach.

cdcox 11-25-2007 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca
If Clark is like his dad I'll probably die before this franchise wins anything.

In his AFL days, Lamar had a ton of fire in his belly. The Chiefs were one of the most aggressive teams in the draft wars against the NFL. Hunt wanted to beat the NFL baaaaad. Then once the NFL was forced to take the AFL and once he one his SB, his competitive fire seemed to go out.

If Clark is like his dad, he'll want to make his own bones in the NFL. I'm still holding out hope that things will change in the next few years.

Mecca 11-25-2007 10:59 PM

I wonder if people around here will then say bad things about him. I'm not old enough to remember any old times but all through my life time all I've known of Lamar Hunt is an old man that didn't seem to care that much, everyone calls him classy.

I see Jerry Jones win bowls people call him a douche, but to me at least he cares and wants to win.

RedThat 11-25-2007 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover
We need to stick with Herm.

While I agree that he isn't the best manager of the game, I like him as a talent evalulator, and he seems to always have his team ready to play.

I don't think its a good thing to constantly be changing coaching staffs in hopes to strike lightning. I like what I see on defense and I don't want to see us take a step back on that side of the ball. We need some help on offense, but we struck gold with Bowe and a lot of talent in the skill positions. we ust need some linemen.

Give it time folks, hell you've made it this long whats another year. Plus I'd rather watch a good defensive team who is in every game then the crap DV was selling.

Really? You think Herm has his team ready to play? Are you kidding me?

I haven't seen a coach since I started watching the Chiefs do such a poor job at getting his team prepared.

I don't like what I see on defense. I think this is a decent defense, but people praise it as if it is the best thing they've seen? this defense is built to just "not give up the big play"...Yeah there are flashes of talent, but it's clear it can get exposed on a given day.

The Chiefs suck at stopping the run. Inconsistent there, and haven't fixed that aspect of their D. That's the first thing you need to work on when building a defense.

I said it once, and I'll say it again, the Chiefs will never have a good offense as long as Herm is the coach. You know why? Because he handcuffs offenses! It's that simple. He doesn't believe in scoring points. His attitude and philosophy is what is strangleholding this team.

I have no faith in the guy. NONE! If people say he is a talent evaluator, then he should just go where he belongs, be a scout, and stay away from coaching.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-25-2007 11:00 PM

I'd be ok with giving Mike Singletary a shot.


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