You know what's amazing? I can tell when we're going to run the ball 90 percent of the time based only on the formation and the pre-snap motion. It's incredible. Oh, and the Chiefs have been telegraphing the run by playing Sippio as a blocker for three weeks now. Also pathetic.

But we won't throw to Sippio. Oh no. Screw that!

For the record I am not a Herm hater nor am I a Herm lover. I want to see this team grow and prosper over the next few years and think that Herm can do a good job for us with the 08 draft picks and go from there. I think he can bring us tallent that will win us games, his coaching skills have a lot to be desired though.

It's hard to see any progress becouse Brodie didn't start soon enough in the season and we were stuck with Hutard today. Huard sucked the life out of this team and this season imo, I blame Carl Peterson for that.

I want to like Herm but am having a hard time doing so with all of the losses but I did see some good things with imagination of having JA catch a TD and trying a WR pass. This team needs to grow and show heart, that is what matters now.

The sad thing is outside of the QB situation the rest of the team is not progessing but degressing on both sides of the ball. This team is not getting better but worse. With only 4 games left is not enough time for Brodie to make that much differance but I can only hope with Brodie that things will start to improve and quickly.

I don't know what to think right now.

I think like cdcox said it is just the cumulative effect of holding back the offense that they have 0 confidence right now.

Also I just don't believe Herm prepares this team good enough and it shows on game day.

I know tk13 and a few others around here still believe. They're patient. They think if we give it another year or two, we'll see progress and things will turn around. We'll get a winning record, get a playoff game, earn playoff experience, build on that, take the next step, etc.

Who knows, maybe they're right.

But I just don't have any faith in a Carl organization anymore. And I mean than in a quasi-religious way -- I have lost my faith. Not my fanhood -- I still follow the team -- but I just can't give Carl and Co. the benefit of a doubt anymore.

I'll still be here, although I may be an emotional zombie through much of it. And if we do turn it around, tk13 and zouk and those guys can really rub it in and tell me they were right.

Godspeed to them. I just don't have the energy to take one more leap into the fire with Carl.

This is ridiculous. The Chiefs did everything on offense today. They play actioned, they ran spread, they threw on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs. They tried to run a reverse pass. People on this board were posting in the 1st half that this was the kind of play calling they had been waiting for all year.

But the offensive line cannot win 1 on 1 blocking assignments. Period. It's proven over and over again. And if your O-line can't block, there's no sequence of play calls you can come up with over the course of 60 minutes to overcome getting your ass beat physically.

This team today was starting 3 offensive linemen, 1 blocking tight end, and 1 starting receiver who will be out of football next year. They are no longer NFL caliber.

Tony G is understandably frustrated by playing around incompetence. He fights and gives 100% all the time, and his tremendous efforts have been routinely turned to **** by the rest of the offense all year. All he said is that he doesn't want to continue to play this way and he doesn't think Herm wants to either. He's right. Which is why this offseason they will dump all the leftover relics of the Vermeil era that can't play anymore, and bring in replacements.

And how is that vaunted Jets' offense now that they finally got rid of Herm? Afterall, since he was the reason they didn't do much on O, they must have really turned it around now!

I agree with everything Cochise said on this thread. How in the heck is what TG said "opening up with both barrels"? Dumb.

I don't buy that confidence talk. If they didn't like the play calling, they should have sunk their teeth into this gameplan today.

They are just not good up front and it all starts up front. There's no combination of plays you can call with this QB and this offensive line that is going to equal a win most weeks.

Like someone else said, our linemen can't block one on one. Waters is the only guy on that line who is really someone you want to keep around.

It reminds me of Houston when they first came into the league. No offensive line equals 10 points a game.

Also a tactic used by "offensive genius" Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders while we were setting offensive records. That doesn't matter.

You're observant I didn't even know Sippio was on the field.

They scaled back the O so much that it is way too predictable but that is what Herm wants to do and that is why I have 0 respect for him. He came to KC and said he wants a complete team but he has alienated half the team with his BS

What? No, it does matter. When Sippio is on the field, the only thing we called today were running plays. That's horrible.

When did the Vermeil Chiefs do that? I can't recall to be honest with you. What player?


Oh yeah, he's out there all the time. He loves to block, man! Herm's got him a blocking WR! WOO!

Probably the same place that Herm has taken that Vaunted O we used to have here in KC...

Misery loves company...

According to ESPN, we both suck!
AFC Rankings.
14 Kansas City
15 NY Jets

LJ. He came out of the game all the time when we were going to throw, and everyone knew it.

That's not true. Larry Johnson has pass blocked and caught tons of passes quite often in the past. Horrible example.

We had Sippio when DV and AS was here?

Strange?