KCMO voting on a smoking ban? It's about time. Wecome to the 21st Century.

Yeah!! :huh: :huh:

I went to dinner tonight with 4 other couples. Our total bill was $1,600.00, or about $300 per couple. If I had to smell smoke of ANY kind, it would have totally, completely and utterly ruined an otherwise outstanding meal.

Fortunately, I live in a state where smoking in restaurants and bars has not been allowed in 11 YEARS. Same goes for NY city, Chicago, SF and other US cities, let alone countries like England, Scotland, France and Italy.

Tell me: What makes Missouri so special? How will Missourians lose their "civil rights"?

Are you implying that hundreds of millions of people across the globe have "lost" civil liberties?

How has this affected the economies of those states and countries?

Is US economy in peril because Missouri is about to outlaw smoking in bars and restaurants?

This goes through and it will hurt and even close a lot of businesses. Just what the economy needs..........

Prove that.

Please provide examples of this, nationwide. It's been effect for as long as 11 years in MUCH larger metro areas. Where's the data to support your statement?

I say again, prove it.

Personally I cannot imagine going out to the bars and not being able to smoke. And I don't even buy cigarettes. But nothing like tipping a few back and buming one from your buddy. I can tell you that is the only time I don't mind the smoke.

If it's a restaurant in the evening or the day I am all for it, but to ban smoking in bars completely like I hear they did in Overland Park just sucks. This coming from someone who probably smokes 3 cigarettes a month.

At least here, most bars have a decent area outside that makes the whole thing is no big deal. It is quite nice to not have your jackets reek of smoke from going out to the bars.

This thread is hilarious.

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You're always looking for data to "prove" something. Then when someone provides you with said data, like many of us have when discussing various subjects, you simply ignore it and go on with your take. Sometimes data is useless. For example - I don't need any to know you're an idiot.

I think most of those people voting "Yes" in the poll don't live in KC so their vote doesn't count.:p

I read this the other day in the Kansas City Star... seriously, what the hell? LMAO

If you had known it was an establishment that allowed smoking you wouldn't have gone there in the first place.

Even though I don't agree with a smoking ban in private businesses, it isn't going to cause a single business to close.

Proof? How about this, I own a bar and know most of the owners around the area that have bars. This went through in Kirksville last year. It killed business. Three have had to close and have not sold. One sold but couldn't get near what it was worth before the ban. Two are hanging in by a thread. One of the best bars in town has dropped dramatically. I talked to him about it Sat. night, he is just ready to hang it up if something doesn't change.

Whats funny is most that voted yes on this don't frequent the bar scene anyhow, one bar put on his front marque, "Were are you non-smokers?".

I have talked to the owner of Cody's in Columbia. He told me that it is unbelievable how drastically it has affected him and the other bars. As I could tell also by the crowds that were not their on the weekends.

I don't need data to support my answer, I have got to watch it, and it isn't pretty. Our economy around here is horrible at the moment, and losing a bunch of more employment opportunities is not what this area needs right now, if ever.

The only thing that it may have helped was memberships to private clubs (Moose Lodge, Shrine, ext.) as being a private club, they still can smoke at these establishments.

My take on it is, I could understand in Restaurants. Bar and grills could have a non-smoking section. Bars should have the right to make the decision on their own. It is not YOUR livelihood, it is theirs. If it doesn't hurt these businesses, then why is it always bar owners getting together to fight it?

And yes I have seen statements from the beer and liquor vendors, and it is amazing how much sales has dropped.

On another note, as a bar owner, I can tell you that it is not like we want a bar filled with smoke (like some of you act like). We spend thousands to try and please both parties. Expensive smoke eaters, special filters, attic fans, or any other way we can try and get it out. I currently have a set up that seems to please both.

If they are going to pass stuff like this, I think that places already established should be grandfathered in. A new establishment or if a person sells his place would have to go by the new ordinance. The new place or new buyer knows what he is buying and what laws he has to abide by. The already owned places did not have this pleasure. If the city would like to make up the difference in the selling price then so be it. That would never happen though.

Most all business owners are trying to fight this right now around here. A lot of them being non-smokers. I mean really when does it stop, or whats next? That is how they feel and do not want to let them get started on telling them how they can and can't conduct THEIR business.

Just so you know, I feel very strongly on this, and this will be my last post on the subject. I have watched it happen with my own eyes. I will not argue with the fact that friends are now unable to support their families with the business that they built and at one time prospered. It pisses me off thinking about it.

Agree to disagree, but I stated my reasons, and am done with it.

Edit: as you can tell, not a resident, my vote would be no.

Not a KCMO resident, but I would vote No if I were.