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Mr. Laz 08-21-2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 4933151)
Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?

too late


a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.


it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

SAUTO 08-21-2008 05:37 PM

but did anyone really see this coming? if you say yes prove it that you felt that way prior to the draft

Mecca 08-21-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4933218)
Waivers and practice squad designees.

I thought a famous person once said that you don't take LB's in the first round because they are so easy to find in the middle rounds.

I did say that, and I believe it, but you need to take into account this team hasn't been drafting LB's AT ALL, this team is full of old FA's and undrafted guys.

Mr. Laz 08-21-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 4933479)
but did anyone really see this coming? if you say yes prove it that you felt that way prior to the draft

what do you mean did anyone see this coming?

we were going into this offseason with 1 proven linebacker and a stopgap old guy

Derrick Johnson
Donnie Edwards

we were rebuilding so Donnie Edwards couldn't fit into the plans.


Demorrio Williams was their answer???


that's like firing a .22 caliber at an oncoming tank and hoping your hit something lucky.


there are some positions where the Chiefs threw up the white flag this off season ... linebacker is one of them.

SAUTO 08-21-2008 05:50 PM

but all the so called experts had lb as one of our biggest strengths all had over 100 tackles last year

beach tribe 08-21-2008 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 4933515)
but all the so called experts had lb as one of our biddest strengths all had over 100 tackles last year

That's because no one was getting stops on the front.

I think we're gonna target LBs next off season.

We're gonna have good pick positions, and TON of money to throw around.

TEX 08-21-2008 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 4933473)
too late


a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.


it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

:clap:

I understand where you're coming from here. IMO, they did indeed just wave the whie flag at the LB core this offseason. Too much in need to fix...

milkman 08-21-2008 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4933484)
I did say that, and I believe it, but you need to take into account this team hasn't been drafting LB's AT ALL, this team is full of old FA's and undrafted guys.


You and I are usually on the same page, but as you already know, we are nowhere near the same page when it comes to when you draft a LB.

I believe if you have the opportunity to draft the guy that's going to man the middle, and be the leader of the defense in the top 10, you take.

Even on the outside if there's a guy there that you believe can be a difference maker you have to take him.

I'm pretty sure that #4 overall wasn't wasted back in '89.

milkman 08-21-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 4933473)
too late


a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.


it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

Agreed.

However, our biggest problem was that we had problems everywhere, so there was no way in hell we were going to address them all.

OK, I take that back.

Our biggest problem was, and still is Carl, who, of course, is responsible for all these other problems.

beach tribe 08-21-2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 4933778)
You and I are usually on the same page, but as you already know, we are nowhere near the same page when it comes to when you draft a LB.

I believe if you have the opportunity to draft the guy that's going to man the middle, and be the leader of the defense in the top 10, you take.

Even on the outside if there's a guy there that you believe can be a difference maker you have to take him.

I'm pretty sure that #4 overall wasn't wasted back in '89.

I agree. Yeah you might be able to get a lot of serviceable LBs later, but a game changing LB is the leader, and sets the tone for the defense.

He's the guy who's going to be making the most tackles on your football team. Put a mid round guy in Urlacher's spot, the Bears never go to the bowl.
Same with Ray Ray, and others.

Smed1065 08-21-2008 07:35 PM

Seems not long ago, everyone thought LB was one of our strongest possibilities?

Maybe its just my age.

milkman 08-21-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4933084)
I think Donnie is only being considered a backup at this time because of his injury. I would think that once he's fully healthy, he'd play over Williams.

Regardless, can't argue one bit about the bolded line.

I think Donnie is all but done.

He's old, and he can no longer stay on the field.
His one strength, speed. is neutralized by his hammy issues.

He was never as good otherwise as most Chiefs fans think he was.

milkman 08-21-2008 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4933797)
I agree. Yeah you might be able to get a lot of serviceable LBs later, but a game changing LB is the leader, and sets the tone for the defense.

He's the guy who's going to be making the most tackles on your football team. Put a mid round guy in Urlacher's spot, the Bears never go to the bowl.
Same with Ray Ray, and others.

mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

beach tribe 08-21-2008 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 4933827)
mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

I think it all depends on the caliber of LB, or any other position for that matter.

Chiefnj2 08-21-2008 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 4933827)
mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

See post #48.


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