That's exactly why all of the Trade LJ talk makes me laugh. When he puts up 198 yards on Denver, that talk is gone I've noticed. LJ may not be "young" but still.

Thats how I feel too. I knew we would have rough times (today was way beyond rough) I understand we needed to rebuild the problem is we needed to rebuild from the top to the bottom. That means Carl and Herm have to go to make it any better.

It's pretty obvious that this team has no discipline. You can tell that they don't practice hard and that no one is in fear for their jobs. When you compound that with the fact that our coaching staff is woefully inept, there isn't anywhere to go but further down.

At halftime today they asked Herm what they had to do. He said "tackle better, block better" as though those were the only reasons why we were getting our asses whipped. He said nothing of making adjustments to what Carolina was doing on offense or defense

Hey now, Huard threw it deep once yesterday. Granted, there was no reciever within 30 yards of the pass, but he threw it deep.

and even though they sucked, who did both of those teams select 1st in the draft to rebuild with? A QB: Tim Couch and David Carr

People are going to get bent out of shape, but this is what rebuilding is. You can't have a rainbow without some rain

My whole thing is, the true "rebuild" wont begin until we get a REAL QB.

part of the rebuild was taking a look at croyle, so we know what we got there. So even though we don't have a qb, we are still rebuilding

And why do they STILL suck - many, many years later?

Drafting a QB #1 isn't the cure-all some here claim it to be.

and we saved a boat load of money...

What a reeruned post.

You never get the point.

yes

Agree, however the key word in your post is "legit."

I am not using JA as a reason. I am saying that Peterson did nothing to get another true DE signed and instead moved people to positions they never played before and expected to be productive.

Question: Comparing the most productive years under Marty S. vs. the Herm years, what are the biggest differences that you all see? Obviously a strong talent level difference at certain key positions. Doesn't it also seem that the players of that time played like they had more invested in their performances every week? Does it simply boil down to discipline?