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blueballs 10-29-2008 11:42 AM

well crap
Gholston is a linebacker
I would have sworn he was a DT

Chiefnj2 10-29-2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5163933)
How are the other rookie DTs doing
I don't recall hearing Gholston's name sunday

Gholston has been invisible all year.

kepp 10-29-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 5163681)
A couple pics from Sunday.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2...ey1copyru8.jpg
Owned by Faneca.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7...ey2copysj4.jpg
Blown off the ball by Faneca.

Where'd you take those from? Techmo Bowl?

KCUnited 10-29-2008 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 5163999)
Where'd you take those from? Techmo Bowl?

ROFL. Canon Powershot from my couch taking pictures of my TV on my day off. **** it, rewatching the game wasn't nearly as painful as being in Olathe traffic court for an hour and a half this morning.

SAUTO 10-29-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5163963)
I'm not sure you can judge a "better" season by tackles. If he finishes with the same # of tackles that Haynesworth had as a rookie, but KC sets the record for worst ypc and teams ran the ball 100 more times against KC, I don't think you could consider him having a better or equal season than Haynesworth.

are you talking individual or team as in "better season". and it's almost universally understood that our LBs are the reason for such a shitty run d

Chiefnj2 10-29-2008 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5164027)
are you talking individual or team as in "better season". and it's almost universally understood that our LBs are the reason for such a shitty run d

The D line isn't doing its job either. Look at the photos in this thread. Gaping holes and OL are getting cleanly to LBs.

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CupidStunt 10-29-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5163865)
Tackles are such an unreliable indicator. KC is on pace to be the worst run defense in the history of the NFL in terms of ypc. It doesn't matter if he has 100 tackles if they are 6 yards downfield.

Agreed, but I've noted when following GameCenter that a lot of his actual tackles made are for very short gains.

I think what we're seeing out of Dorsey is feast and famine but only just barely, i.e. 10% feast, 90% famine. I've seen a couple stout plays, but mostly not.

And I do think it's coaching. SEVEN games. Honestly not concerned because my opinion of him at this time last year was that he was the best player in the country, and one doesn't just lose that ability. I would be concerned if I thought he sucked back in March, and I might say he's proving me right, but it simply takes time.

RustShack 10-29-2008 12:24 PM

The problem with Dorsey is hes a rookie with piss poor coaches and no surrounding talent.

Frosty 10-29-2008 12:52 PM

Are the Chiefs' DT's and MLB taught to simply take on and occupy the blocker? In that second pic, the player in the middle of the field (I can't make out the number but I think it is Thomas), is ignoring the runner and looking directly at #65. There is absolutely nobody behind him to tackle the runner.

FAX 10-29-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5164158)
The problem with Dorsey is hes a rookie with piss poor coaches and no surrounding talent.

Although I agree in principle with your statement, Dorsey doesn't need surrounding talent in order to beat one man across from him on the LOS, Mr. RustShack.

Dorsey's biggest problem is youth and coaching, right now.

The Chiefs organization has proven time and time again over many, many years that they lack the ability to properly develop young players. They rarely do. Ever. Unless you come into this organization with the talent of a Gonzo or a DT or you're a veteran like Green or Priest or Roaf, you don't get much better as a player. There are exceptions to this, but they are rare.

FAX

BigMeatballDave 10-29-2008 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5163831)
and how many people around here wanted NOTHING to do with faneca?

He's old.

Chiefnj2 10-29-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arc (Post 5164234)
Are the Chiefs' DT's and MLB taught to simply take on and occupy the blocker? In that second pic, the player in the middle of the field (I can't make out the number but I think it is Thomas), is ignoring the runner and looking directly at #65. There is absolutely nobody behind him to tackle the runner.

Ideally I believe a DT should have tied up 2 OL so the lineman doesn't have a clear shot on Thomas, and Thomas is supposed to hit the gap and the ball carrier.

Chief Faithful 10-29-2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5163831)
and how many people around here wanted NOTHING to do with faneca?

I'm one who wanted nothing to do with Faneca. I'm sick of the George Allen approach of selling the future for now. This team needed to be rebuilt.

Faneca is old and would required a very large contract. Then he would last just long enough to need to be replaced just as the team was coming out of rebuilding. Better to find a young long term solution during the rebuilding phase.

Plugging holes with aging free agents is the best path to mediocrity. Look at what Faneca and Farve did for the Jets. Ran up their salary cap and made them a .500 team.

Frosty 10-29-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5164537)
Ideally I believe a DT should have tied up 2 OL so the lineman doesn't have a clear shot on Thomas, and Thomas is supposed to hit the gap and the ball carrier.

Thomas (if that's him) doesn't even look like he is going to fight off the block. It looks like he is trying to give #65 a hug.


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