Yeah like he has trouble throwing within 15 feet of the receiver at times.

Just curious, what throws do you not see Bradford making? OU was on TV A LOT and I saw him make a lot of throws. Some people think his receivers were too wide open. I just don't get this argument. His accuracy is pretty good and I think that's very important.

This is also what scares me about Stafford. Has a great arm, but he got confused by Michigan Freaking State. What's he gonna do against the Titens, Steelers, or Ravens?

Here's where I disagree. SC has a lot of blue chip athletes, but even the Chiefs have more talent than any college team. Clearly his level of play will suffer at first as he adjusts to the pro game. The thing about Sanchez is he reads defenses so well. They commented during the Rose Bowl that the coahing staff had him do more reading and film study than both Palmer and Leinart. I think that's only going to help him at the next level.

Good thoughts Milkman

I agree with you both - I guess I'm not getting my point across very well. I know you guys have seen what I have seen when it comes to people bitching about the rebuild. You know, those people that think we should be in the market for every high priced FA available in 2009 so we can race back to 8-8.

they're called True Fans....they're real

I think sometimes you just like to disagree. You tell me, seriously, what you see in him and tell us why we should spend time on him to develop. I could care less if he starts next season as long as we have a prospect waiting in the wings. It wasn't all about the line, they said that they went to what HE knew how to run, though it does help the line out and they needed the help.

He has 11 games for us to see, and so far any 3 of the QB's that may come out has shown more.

So I would like to know what you see.

in WHOSE opinion? i've read all this shit coming out of people's mouths about him not having an upside, well once again who is to say that with ANY certainty right now? and i'm for drafting a qb AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOMEONE TO TEACH THAT QB HOW TO PLAY IN THE NFL(not herm)

Not saying we didn't, but don't act like the fan base some how bailed on the rebuild, this rebuild was a failure.

Yep

I think we agree on this. I guess niether one of us were getting our point across.

I see exactly what most objective people would expect to see from a 7th round pick who's basically a rookie and has 11 games under his belt:

Inconsistency.

Questionable decision making.

Questionable footwork.

ALL things that not only can be improved upon with better coaching and more experience, but things you are ABSOLUTELY going to see in a rookie QB, regardless of where they were drafted. Eli Manning was the #1 overall pick, and looked like ass until the last 4 games and playoffs of 2007. Over 3.5 years after he had been drafted.

Your post proves my point exactly. People don't like him because he's a 7th round pick from a small school. Period.

And it will become even more obvious when Stafford, Bradford or Sanchez come in and make the same mistakes, but are afforded all the excuses that DON'T apply to Thigpen based on where he was drafted.

Huge double standard

Basically Tony G is the only person that says they think he is the man. Hell even Herm wouldn't commit to him being the man. Lenny doesn't think he has got "it". I don't see it, if a guy is inaccurate AND can't throw the long ball I think he has problems.

How can you say with any certainty, that 1 year in, this was a failure?

For as much as I bash on Derrick Johnson, I still have a slight bit of hope that some competent ****ing coaching can turn him into what we expected from the 15th pick in the draft.

Same goes for Hali. Page. Pollard. Dorsey. McBride. Tyler. Carr. Leggett.

You can't tell me that all of these players are busts, when they've been coached by this staff. I'm not saying they are all going to turn into studs, but time will tell.

Again, patience.

How about a coach who can win and be consistent on that? I'd give Thiggy another season just because he gave the offense a HUGE spark compared to the first few games when a veteran backup and a 3rd rounder couldn't accomplish it.

Good point. Dayton Moore has repeatedly said that pitching is the commodity of baseball. A Good QB is the commodity of football. Teams that have a good QB have more chances at the post season including the superbowl. Whoever the GM is, and I can't forsee it being Bradway, find a QBOTF and let's build the team.

Outstanding point. Yes the last time we drafted a QB in the first round we blew it, but that was also 25 yrs ago. You can't let a 25 year old decision scare you into taking "the safe pic" . That gets you anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6. Let's grab the right QB and build this thing.

I can't wait to see what a new coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball can do with DJ, Hali, Dorsey, Turk, Flowers, Pollard, Tank, and Morgan. And these are just the players off of the top of may head we took in the first 3 rounds the past 4 years that come to mind. I refuse to believe that all of these guys who were game changers in college can't develop into game changing type of players for us.

and the Chiefs can still draft a QB 1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounds.