You stated he emerged when he left, that is wrong. No way can you defend that statement or spin it. He emerged, when Grbac got hurt, end of story.
You stand corrected, and don't for one second pretend you wouldn't trade Kyle Orton for a pair of Cassel's soiled underwear.

That doesn't count.

Not in the context you were arguing. Again, Brady could have transferred elsewhere, but didn't. That was the point you made that I posted about. Let's not go moving the goalposts here.

Yes, EXACTLY in the context I was arguing. Brady and Cassel both went to schools with established QBs and sat on the bench while those established QBs finished their careers. They both then got the opportunity to win the job. Brady won and stayed, Cassel lost and... stayed.

There was NO chance Cassel was going to be the starter over Leinart - he even tried out at other positions. He was content to be the caddy.

Of course it doesn't count! Brady BEAT OUT Henson! He started every game! He didn't have to go anywhere for PT!

What the hell don't you get?

Brady = backup -> starter
Cassel = backup -> permanent benchwarmer

I never stated that Gannon emerged at all.

I quoted beach tribe's inaccurate construction.

The point I was making was that Gannon LEFT THE CHIEFS because he didn't accept being a backup.

Now if you want to argue that his eight games off the bench for KC will be remembered over his MVP year with the Raiders by anyone who doesn't have an arrowhead tattooed on his belly, I can only pity you.


ROFL at wanting Cassel.

Where "he stayed" is different from "he stayed". Maybe you could explain how staying and competing for the job is different from staying and competing for the job. See, other than you, nobody in the entire universe understands, so you'll be doing us all a favor. Each and every sentient being in the universe will owe you a debt of gratitude.

Or could it be that Cassel felt loyalty to the teams that selected him, and figured if he worked hard and stayed humble his time would come. I hope now is his time. He's earned it by staying prepared and ready to go when the time comes. The fact he didn't run from a situation is not always a bad thing. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

Everyone understands the difference - except you because you're being deliberately obtuse.

Brady WON THE JOB.
Cassel LOST THE JOB.

Brady got playing time.
Cassel got bench time.

Brady got the ball.
Cassel got the clipboard.

Any more questions?

WTF?! Here is your exact quote: "Uhhh Gannon "emerged" when he got sick of riding the Chiefs' bench and went somewhere else where he would PLAY.

Unlike Cassel who's been content on the bench for eight years."

Emerged = beginning = the beginning was when he came off the bench at KC, is that really that hard, or do you just not comprehend the words you use?

You will be pining for Cassel, I have watched Kyle Orten try to beat out Rex Grossman up here for several years. You will day dream about Jake Plummer.

So you're laughing at your kid Head Coach, right?

I accept that. The question was originally put "what does Whitlock have against Cassel for not transferring?" I supplied the answer - Whitlock and many, many more see that as a red flag indicating Cassel isn't competitive.

As for Cassel's time...

He was the beneficiary of a perfect storm, the alignment of Bernard Pollard, Randy Moss, and Josh McDaniels. How many other players in any sport have ever exploded to the tune of $15 million dollars with no resume whatsoever? If that was his plan, he's not a QB, he's a psychic.

To the degree that he wanted Cassel, yes.

Of course, he didn't want him enough to actually trade for him - even at the low, low market price of half-a-second-rounder.

"emerged" - in quotations = I'm using quoting the other guy's word but I wouldn't use that word myself. This is a standard construction in English writing. Maybe you missed that day at school.

As for the idea that Gannon "emerged" (there it is again) at KC - apparently not enough to keep the starting job over Grbac.

Yes. Do you actually know anything about Cassel?

The guy was a pitcher on the USC baseball team and was actually drafted by the A's.

The guy played wherever he needed to in order to play and help the team. In 2001 alone:

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-...el_matt00.html

This "transfer" issue is just idiotic. Brady thought about transferring while he was at Michigan. Also, even when Brady was a starter, Carr was platooning him with Henson.

I'm not being obtuse. You're simply making a piss poor argument. Carson Palmer seems to get what you do not:

To you, a sign of a competitor is to quit competing and to go elsewhere so you don't have to compete. To the vast majority of the world, quitters aren't considered competitors.