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blaise 10-30-2009 01:32 PM

Just to point out that Alex Smith came in that game against Texans in the second half and threw three TDs. It's not like the Texans D locked them down.

Demonpenz 10-30-2009 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Blindside58 (Post 6220158)
Does no one rember the shoulder bombs with no wrapping up he would lay on TE's and WR's they would bounce back five yards and continue to run for huge gains???? This guy had the tackilng ability of Def Lepperds drummer?!?

he never caused hysteria on WR.

BossChief 10-30-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6220132)
Yeah, those Texans fans really have it out for Haoli.

You've been a mindless apologist for those guys from day 1, why would I expect you to actually examine this decision rationally?

It was stupid when it was made, it's proven stupid now.

But hey, at least we held on to Mike MFing Brown.

I'll just go ahead and stand behind everything I said here:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...18#post6077118

This was a dumb move by a lazy coach/front office.

that guy just doesnt like me specifically, that is likely why he responded to my thread the way he did, I may be wrong. He has neg repped as many of my posts as everyone else combined and all he leaves is mindless drivel like "go back to the coalition you pussy"

blah blah blah is all I hear from him when he speaks.

I have chosen the old adage in regards to him:

"never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

DJ's left nut 10-30-2009 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blindside58 (Post 6220158)
Does no one rember the shoulder bombs with no wrapping up he would lay on TE's and WR's they would bounce back five yards and continue to run for huge gains???? This guy had the tackilng ability of Def Lepperds drummer?!?

He'd been coached by a guy that didn't bother teaching him technique because he liked Pollard's "physical presence".

Besides, I'd sure as hell rather have seen Pollard bouncing off guys than see Brown simply dive and miss. At least Pollard gives guys second thoughts going over the middle and at least slows them down when he bounces off. Brown just gets abused in every facet of the game.

Pollard had youth, athleticism and upside on his side.

And in a 'rebuilding' year, our overhyped GM cut his ass in favor of an over-the-hill, oft-injured, 'name' player in Mike Brown while keeping scads of never will be scrubs on the 53 man because he and his head coach were too damn arrogant to bother working with someone that pre-dated their time in KC.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6220046)
:shake:

Are you pulling stats from out your ass?

NO, hell i could bet that there were 100s of posts here last year about how stupid we were for not running LJ more in 4th qtrs due to the fact that Running backs get stronger as the game goes on. Defenses are more tired and shy away from contact from bruising backs.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220066)
Yep.

I'm not going to spend all day proving him wrong, but here's what I've found about the Top 5's 4th quarter stats:

Benson: Least yards in 4th quarter compared to 1st-3rd.

AP: Most rushing yards in 4th.

Jackson: Least yards in 4th quarter.

T. Jones: 2nd lowest compared to 1st-3rd.

C. Johnson: Least yards in 4th quarter.


So, 1 out of the top 5 rushers have more yardage in the 4th quarter than any of the previous 3 quarters on the year - and 3 of them have their lowest totals in the 4th quarter.

so far THIS YEAR, how does that work if you throw it out for the last 3 years?

BossChief 10-30-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6220178)
He'd been coached by a guy that didn't bother teaching him technique because he liked Pollard's "physical presence".

Besides, I'd sure as hell rather have seen Pollard bouncing off guys than see Brown simply dive and miss. At least Pollard gives guys second thoughts going over the middle and at least slows them down when he bounces off. Brown just gets abused in every facet of the game.

Pollard had youth, athleticism and upside on his side.

And in a 'rebuilding' year, our overhyped GM cut his ass in favor of an over-the-hill, oft-injured, 'name' player in Mike Brown while keeping scads of never will be scrubs on the 53 man because he and his head coach were too damn arrogant to bother working with someone that pre-dated their time in KC.

Gibbs is still his coach if that is who you were refering to.

DJ's left nut 10-30-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6220188)
Gibbs is still his coach if that is who you were refering to.

Herm.

Herm always said he liked the fact that Pollard was a headhunter.

As a former DB, Herm took a very active role in coaching our DBs; he did Pollard a great disservice.

BossChief 10-30-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220185)
NO, hell i could bet that there were 100s of posts here last year about how stupid we were for not running LJ more in 4th qtrs due to the fact that Running backs get stronger as the game goes on. Defenses are more tired and shy away from contact from bruising backs.

big backs wear down defenses

ever play ball against a big back in the fourth quarter after he has been somewhat successful the rest of the game?

it sucks

blaise 10-30-2009 01:40 PM

I listen to Houston sports radio quite a bit. Maybe the posters on texanstalk like him, but I wouldn't say the fans down there are crazy about the defense. It's more of a "well, we'll see".

jidar 10-30-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6220190)
Herm.

Herm always said he liked the fact that Pollard was a headhunter.

As a former DB, Herm took a very active role in coaching our DBs; he did Pollard a great disservice.

I hated Herm as a head coach, but to be fair to him I was pretty happy with how he coached the corners. I would think at least some of that applied to all of the dbs.

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220187)
so far THIS YEAR, how does that work if you throw it out for the last 3 years?

Perfect. Go back as far as you need to to support your claim. ROFL

You made the asinine claim, now YOU back it up.

DJ's left nut 10-30-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar (Post 6220197)
I hated Herm as a head coach, but to be fair to him I was pretty happy with how he coached the corners. I would think at least some of that applied to all of the dbs.

Generally speaking I completely agree.

He even made Paige a much better player.

The man can coach DB's, I'll give him that.

At the same time, he flat out stated that he liked the way Pollard went out there and hit.

I believe he had a role that he wanted Pollard to fill and by god he'd use as big a hammer as it took to drive that square peg. He needed guys to fit his system and Pollard was his guy.

Nevermind the fact that Pollards skill set didn't lend itself to that vision. As such, Herm did Pollard a great disservice.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220066)
Yep.

I'm not going to spend all day proving him wrong, but here's what I've found about the Top 5's 4th quarter stats:

Benson: Least yards in 4th quarter compared to 1st-3rd.

AP: Most rushing yards in 4th.

Jackson: Least yards in 4th quarter.

T. Jones: 2nd lowest compared to 1st-3rd.

C. Johnson: Least yards in 4th quarter.


So, 1 out of the top 5 rushers have more yardage in the 4th quarter than any of the previous 3 quarters on the year - and 3 of them have their lowest totals in the 4th quarter.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220211)
Perfect. Go back as far as you need to to support your claim. ROFL

You made the asinine claim, now YOU back it up.

you are a funny guy, it's hilarious to see you act stupid when you need to to support your claims.
first of all out of the 5 only 2 have not been playing from behind in the 4th qtrs, AP and Jones. jones splits carries with washington and i would bet that he gets less carries in the 4th compared to the 1-3.

the others have played from behind in the 4th all year long, even benson how many comebacks have they had this year, so that would lead to more passing and therefore less rushes which would equal less rushing yards.

i would guess that out of the 5, 4 of them have less rushes in the 4th than 1st -3rd. i would also bet that you have said that the best backs get better as the game goes on once or twice in your life.

DaWolf 10-30-2009 02:04 PM

At the end of the day it's all about systems, surrounding talent, and coaching. Pollard was here under two different DC's, and both the 3-4 and the 4-3 systems, and never really did anything great. Right now he is in a system with players that probably allows him to play to his strengths better. Good for Pollard and good for the Texans. All it does is point out that A) We need to find someone who can actually coach defense, B) We need to provide that person with talent that fits their system, and C) We need to take advantage of the talent of those players.

A has not been here for years.
B has always been in flux because we are either changing coordinators, head coaches, or GM's, each with different views on D.
C cannot take place if A and B don't happen.

Therefore, our defense has been crap for pretty much the last decade.

I doubt that Pollard is the main reason the Texans are stopping the run. But I don't doubt that he's in a far better position to help a team that is right now in far better shape than we are...


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