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DeezNutz 12-07-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326056)
I agree also that Haley is the man for the job, but that Cassel may be shell shocked, and it's 50-50 whether he recovers or not.

Regarding Haley, based on what?

For Cassel, whose fault will that be?

dirk digler 12-07-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326002)
BB won 3 SBs with the rosters that they built.

BB shut down the Colts, Rams, and other high flying attacks, and coached the most dangerous offense in the history of football.
Pioli was the GM,and BB the coach when players such as Ty Law, Asante Samuel were acquired, along with Richard Seymore, and .. screw it, you know the names.

So far this season, the genius BB, has shown that his team is going to lose more games with Tom Terrific, at QB than it did with a Matt Cassel.

He's also shown that it's not his genius that won all those games. It was a special group of players who he, and Pioli, hand picked. If he was such a genius. He wouldn't be losing games, by constantly going for it on 4th, and he sure as hell wouldn't be getting his ass handed to him by Sean Payton.
Not to mention the fact that Tom Coughlin out coached him in one SB, and Mike Martz handed him another by not running the ball.
As far as all of you guys already giving up on a regime after one draft, and 12 games with one of the worst rosters in the league. I just have to laugh.
Is it very possible that they Fail? Ugh.... yeah, but they haven't failed yet morons. We won 2 games last year. We will probably win 4 this year. It's a start, and it as much as anyone could ask for considering the circumstances.
Nancies.

Post of the decade

Brock 12-07-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326056)
Everybody around here sucks A.J. Smith form S.D.'s balls, but he let Michael turner, and Drew Brees walk, and it probably cost them a SB or three. People make mistakes. Nobody's perfect. There is a lot of luck involved.

Regardless of what perceived mistakes Smith has made, his starting lineup is about 75 percent comprised of his draft picks over the past several years, if not more. That's not really luck.

beach tribe 12-07-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6326054)
Hamas already addressed this.

The only thing people really wanted to see this year was PROGRESS.

And yet here we sit with just about the worst goddamn offense AND defense in the league again.

And you can argue this team is GETTING WORSE!!! We sure weren't losing 87-27 in back to back weeks during September and October.

This team IS getting better. We have had opportunities, and we just haven't been able to take advantage of them. Which is more that we can say for a Herm peterson team. That will come with time, and upgrades at a lot of positions. If we had a decent #2 WR , some linemen, and a badass power back, we would have had a huge momentum swing in this last game, and it would have looked a lot different. BUT Wade dropped the damn ball, Haley called a damn sweep, and you could see the life just sucking out of them. We need A LOT of players man. A LOT. Playmakers.
We need Krumrie gone, and we need a NT so bad that we will never be able to stop anyone without one. Wilfork?

Hammock Parties 12-07-2009 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326078)
This team IS getting better. We have had opportunities, and we just haven't been able to take advantage of them. Which is more that we can say for a Herm peterson team.

Bullcrap.

That team last year lost how many games by a touchdown or less? They had opportunities, too.

It's the same shit in a different wrapper, except the last half of 08 the Chiefs were mediocre on offense.

beach tribe 12-07-2009 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6326075)
Regardless of what perceived mistakes Smith has made, his team is about 75 percent comprised of his draft picks over the past several years, if not more. That's not really luck.

I agree. He's good. But he also is the sole reason that his team is NOT going to win the SB. Because Drew Brees, and the Burner would be unstoppable with the rest of that roster.
That was an unlucky break for him. And until he DOES have a SB, I don't care how many draft picks he has on his team. He's accomplished LESS in his career than Carl Peterson.

Titty Meat 12-07-2009 02:21 PM

So we're ready to say Pioli sucks? Ya'll are drama queens.

DeezNutz 12-07-2009 02:22 PM

The fact that he had Brees on his roster and STILL acquired Rivers should be a lesson to executives around the league.

Granted, Drew wasn't playing at his current insane level at the time, but he was still a solid player and FAR better than anything we've seen from our "franchise" player.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-07-2009 02:23 PM

Let's look at the moves that he's made while he's actually been the one in charge:

The hire of Todd Haley: Not damnable, but not inspiring of confidence either

The trade for Cassel: Looks god awful, and not because of his lack of fantasy stats. He doesn't appear to have the native ability to succeed in his position.

The contract to Cassel: We already owned his rights for 2 years, and were massively under the cap. This to, me, is the most damning move he's yet made.

The hire of Clancy Pendergast: ****ing awful. Arizona has the same talent in place as last year and is demonstrably better. Meanwhile, the Chiefs added their first three draft picks to the D and it's arguably just as bad (if not worse) than last year's D. At least we had ****ing injuries last year.

The trade of Gonzalez: His best move. It was a forward looking move that brings us quick help for a player at the end of his career.

The signing of Zach Thomas: FAIL
Bobby Engram: FAIL
Bobby Wade: FAIL
Amani Toomer: FAIL
Monty Beisel: FAIL
Mike Brown: FAIL

Cutting Pollard: FAIL

Trading a draft pick for Alleman and Eat Dookie: FAIL

Addressing the OL through draft and FA: FAIL. It wasn't an OL-empty draft, either, nor was Ryan O'Callaghan the only RT available after September cuts.


Bringing in Vrabel along w/ Cassel to establish veteran leadership: Nothing shows leadership like a 34 year old player flipping off the opposing sideline because he's experiencing multiple blowout losses for the first time in his career.

Drafting a 5 Technique at 3 overall b/c you've painted yourself into a corner: FAIL

Sean Ryan: FAIL

Thigpen trade: Great move.

Signing of Chris Chambers: Great move.

I should be optimistic, huh?

keg in kc 12-07-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6326054)
Hamas already addressed this.

The only thing people really wanted to see this year was PROGRESS.

And yet here we sit with just about the worst goddamn offense AND defense in the league again.

And you can argue this team is GETTING WORSE!!! We sure weren't losing 87-27 in back to back weeks during September and October.

Progress won't come until the roster is overhauled. People were asking for a miracle if they expected this roster take any steps forward during the season. There's a reason street free agents come in here and start the week they get a contract. This is a bad, bad team, and no amount of smoke and mirrors is going to change that fact. Talent wins games. Period. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd. Which is why most realistic people, in and out of town, expected a maximum of 5 wins in 2009.

It's fine to hate losing and to get upset when it happens. Yesterday sucked. End of story. But burying the front office now? Too soon.

'course most of the people doing it started months ago.

If the 2010 or 2011 Chiefs look like this, if next offseason doesn't look any different than last, then I'll worry.

DeezNutz 12-07-2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6326103)
I should be optimistic, huh?

Unlucky. Sometimes things don't work out.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-07-2009 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6325920)
Here's the problem:

If Belichick was the one making all the decisions, then Pioli didn't deserve the job b/c he wasn't the pro personnel genius he'd been lauded to be.

If Pioli was making decisions along with Belichick, he didn't deserve the job b/c he's done an awful job of evaluating talent

However, I'm sure that many will say it's C): All the good picks are on Pioli and the bad ones are on Belichick...or Carl...or the Jews.

LMAO

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326078)
This team IS getting better. We have had opportunities, and we just haven't been able to take advantage of them. Which is more that we can say for a Herm peterson team. That will come with time, and upgrades at a lot of positions. If we had a decent #2 WR , some linemen, and a badass power back, we would have had a huge momentum swing in this last game, and it would have looked a lot different. BUT Wade dropped the damn ball, Haley called a damn sweep, and you could see the life just sucking out of them. We need A LOT of players man. A LOT. Playmakers.
We need Krumrie gone, and we need a NT so bad that we will never be able to stop anyone without one. Wilfork?

Individuals are getting better.

The team? Not so much.

Titty Meat 12-07-2009 02:26 PM

I'm not telling you what you should be, I just find it funny how the "Cassel sucks" threads disappear when they beat Pittsburgh and everyone praises him. Its 1 year the team has a chance to double it's win total from last year. New Englands first year with Belicheck they went 5-11.

DeezNutz 12-07-2009 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6326108)
Progress won't come until the roster is overhauled. People were asking for a miracle if they expected this roster take any steps forward during the season. There's a reason street free agents come in here and start the week they get a contract. This is a bad, bad team, and no amount of smoke and mirrors is going to change that fact. Talent wins games. Period. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd. Which is why most realistic people, in and out of town, expected a maximum of 5 wins in 2009.

It's fine to hate losing and to get upset when it happens. Yesterday sucked. End of story. But burying the front office now. Too soon.

'course most of the people doing it started months ago.

Yes, maybe being more active in FA and playing to the strengths of the draft class would have obviated the need for trying to sift through the current list of garbage players who are available.

Brock 12-07-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326086)
I agree. He's good. But he also is the sole reason that his team is NOT going to win the SB. Because Drew Brees, and the Burner would be unstoppable with the rest of that roster.
That was an unlucky break for him. And until he DOES have a SB, I don't care how many draft picks he has on his team. He's accomplished LESS in his career than Carl Peterson.

How so? His team has won as many playoff games in the past 3 years as Carl's did in 20.


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