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B_Ambuehl 01-11-2010 10:39 PM
Some of you'll might wanna go back and look at some Cleveland defensive games from '08 and '07 before you crown Crennel king. The 3-4 he runs is arguably the least progressive as far as scheme goes amongst the various 3-4s you'll find including Phillips, Capers, Nolan, Ryan. A good illustration is the improvement in the Dallas D the first year Wade Phillips came in with his scheme replacing Parcells. Yeah, he won 3 superbowls with NE, but 5 years is an eternity in the NFL as far as schemes go.

RustShack 01-11-2010 10:39 PM
Copper and Daniels weren't Pats..

FAX 01-11-2010 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6436258)
This is the reason I'll give Haley props. He holds players accountable, but he's also showing that he'll keep his assistants accountable.

I said it before, half the battle to me with being a good head coach is being able to surround yourself with excellent coordinators. Say what you want about these guys, they've done it before.

And say what you want about Pioli, he could have said F it, and made Haley hire no name, cheap coordinators and if things fell apart, blamed it on the coaches. In the past it was easy to blame our defensive shortcomings on GRob or Ddumbther or Krumrie or any number of coaches we blamed. By hiring these two guys, the heat is now squarely on the GM, because everyone knows these guys can coach and these guys can help lead teams to Super Bowls. So if there is failure, the only real place to point is at talent acquisition. The heat is now on Pioli to get these guys players...
Yep.

I might add that the players Weis and Crennel will want are not the dregs of the league, either. Both of these guys will have very specific and high expectations when it comes to talent and performance.

It's all good.

FAX

T-post Tom 01-11-2010 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6436355)
JFC.

MORE speculation.
Just some speculation here, but if it weren't for speculation, the overall post count at CP would be a fraction of what we have today.

Seriously, I don't care what Clark is paying the new coordinators. We just added 9 SuperBowl rings to the coaching staff. And that's a good thing. Speculatively speaking of course.

L.A. Chieffan 01-11-2010 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6436290)
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RustShack 01-11-2010 10:43 PM
I would just like to throw out that the Person Hamas has quoted in his sig is a ****ing clueless idiot because this is Todd Haley's staff.. not Scott Pioli's.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6436376)
Copper and Daniels weren't Pats..
That's my fault for a poor edit.

Originally I was going to say 25 guys from the tree, started to list Ndukwe, Alleman, etc, got lazy, and didn't cut them all off.

DeezNutz 01-11-2010 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6436388)
I would just like to throw out that the Person Hamas has quoted in his sig is a ****ing clueless idiot because this is Todd Haley's staff.. not Scott Pioli's.
LMAO. Ok.

RustShack 01-11-2010 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436391)
That's my fault for a poor edit.

Originally I was going to say 25 guys from the tree, started to list Ndukwe, Alleman, etc, got lazy, and didn't cut them all off.
I know Mays was a Bengal... I'm not sure where he was before that.. might of been the Pats though.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6436395)
I know Mays was a Bengal... I'm not sure where he was before that.. might of been the Pats though.
He was a Pats scrub for 2 years.

RustShack 01-11-2010 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6436394)
LMAO. Ok.
If Haley hadn't worked with them before Pioli then I might believe you. Also pretty much every other coach we have as Haley ties and not Pioli. Theres like one guy before this year who came from the Pariots.. and yeah its normal for the GM to make a recomendation.. but he doesn't put the staff together.

RustShack 01-11-2010 10:48 PM
Now Pioli being here might of helped THEM agree to come here. But its not that he pushed Haley to hire them.

DeezNutz 01-11-2010 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6436400)
If Haley hadn't worked with them before Pioli then I might believe you. Also pretty much every other coach we have as Haley ties and not Pioli. Theres like one guy before this year who came from the Pariots.. and yeah its normal for the GM to make a recomendation.. but he doesn't put the staff together.
What does our GM do, anyway? Oh wait, I know. The entire '09 draft with one other fired douchebag.

They could have really used the boar semen.

RustShack 01-11-2010 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6436404)
What does our GM do, anyway? Oh wait, I know. The entire '09 draft with one other fired douchebag.

They could have really used the boar semen.
Yeah they should have just used scouts and drafted for a different phillosopy than the one they are bringing. Maybe you should judge him after this years draft? Now that he actually has his own staff in place. Even then you should wait three years MINIMUM to judge a draft...

BossChief 01-11-2010 10:54 PM
I bet Pioli could trade a second rounder for Tom Brady tomorrow and some of these guys would bitch because he is from "the tree" and he is "injury prone" and old.

Seriously


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