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InChiefsHeaven 01-13-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6441245)
Gretz, why did you leave out the ranking for the 2002 Patriots?

In the 2001, 2003 and 2004 seasons, the New England defense finished 19th, 4th and 6th against the run.

Because they finished 31st against the run?

C'mon, man.

I think it's because that was the years they went to and won the Superbowl...that's my guess anyway. He's trying to prove a point about run defense and its importance towards winning a Superbowl...or 3.

B_Ambuehl 01-13-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6441585)
In fairness, I think Haley is a very competent play caller, but his offense sucked ass in KC.

There can be other factors involved. Naturally, this doesn't excuse our newest fat man completely.


Well when you bring in a Shaun Rogers and have Corey Williams and Robaire Smith along your defensive front* and actually regress from 27th to 28th in the NFL in rushing D it sure doesn't cast your defensive coordinator in a good light.

* Both quality 3-4 DE's. See: http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

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So, who would you have liked to see brought in as DC?
Anyone besides another Patriot asshat.

Actually I don't really put Crennel in that same "we're smarter than everybody else so fuck you" group of "Patriot Way" douches like Pioli, Mcdouche, etc. I like Crennel but I don't think he's very progressive in his thinking as a DC, and if anything the stats back that up.

If I was brininging in a new DC I'd have to look hard at up and comers on Capers, Phillips, Rex Ryan, Nolan, or even Ron Riveras staff.

cmh6476 01-13-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6441308)
Yeah, that too.

However, my post is due to the fact that CoMo thinks he should be our first pick.

Kiss of death.

funny, "Kiss of Death" is actually playing right now right when I was reading this. I'm on Split Lip Rayfield's website.

cmh6476 01-13-2010 03:44 PM

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Kylo Ren 01-13-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6441245)
Gretz, why did you leave out the ranking for the 2002 Patriots?

In the 2001, 2003 and 2004 seasons, the New England defense finished 19th, 4th and 6th against the run.

Because they finished 31st against the run?

C'mon, man.

Because they won the SB in '01, '03 & '04. His point stands. They were 31st in '02 and didn't win the SB in '02. They were 9-7 in '02.

Extra Point 01-13-2010 04:12 PM

Reading these posts, gotta feel that McClain makes the most sense as the 1st pick in the draft.

Just Passin' By 01-13-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6441809)
Because they won the SB in '01, '03 & '04. His point stands. They were 31st in '02 and didn't win the SB in '02. They were 9-7 in '02.

'02 was the nightmare known as "Steve Martin". The impact of the upgrade from him to Washington was immediately obvious. That's what the Chiefs are going to need to find if they really want to be competitive for titles.

keg in kc 01-13-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6441585)
In fairness, I think Haley is a very competent play caller, but his offense sucked ass in KC.

I've mentioned this a few times, but I was actually impressed with what he was able to do with the personnel he had to work with, particularly since he didn't start his install until 2 weeks before the season. The line became almost below average over the course of the season, which I attribute largely to scheme and playcalling. Whether it was happy accident or not, he 'discovered' Charles' value as a weapon, and went with it, particularly notable because he's always been a pass-happy coordinator. He got production out of midseason waver-wire wide receivers and scrap heap tight ends. There were early flashes of scoring as the season progressed (Dallas, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh) and then the two highest scoring games of the year came in the last three weeks.

It was not "good" by any stretch of the imagination, and that's not what I'm saying, but I think it did show some possibility for the future if the front office side of the franchise equation is able to put competitive players on the field, instead of a patchwork team of journeymen and castoffs. The system they want to run has already shown that it can work here, potentially; the real issue is whether or not Pioli and friends give them enough pieces to compete.

L.A. Chieffan 01-13-2010 04:47 PM

TJax will destroy next year. It always takes DEs a year to adjust to the NFL, everybody knows this

B_Ambuehl 01-14-2010 12:35 PM

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Clevelands rushing D with Romeo as HC:

2008: 28th
2007: 27th
2006: 29th
2005: 30th

Keep trying to pour the kool-aid!!
Bump. In lieu of Whitlock's recent article I hope everyone pays attention to this.

And this:

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When you bring in a Shaun Rogers and have Corey Williams and Robaire Smith along your defensive front* and actually regress from 27th to 28th in the NFL in rushing D it sure doesn't cast your defensive coordinator in a good light.

* Both quality 3-4 DE's. See: http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1


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