Yea and we didn't have trouble running the ball with Charles it was the # of sacks and pressures. Some of it was Cassel some of it was the line and Weigmann will not help in pass protection.

Well when he's asked to play in a powerblocking scheme and block NTs straight up, of course he'll give up more pressures.

So our other two choices would have been Fraley and Mawae. Mawae had only 1 less qb pressure than Weigmann. Fraley had 6 the whole year, but he only started 4 games.

I've pretty much stayed away from the Lilja/Weigman debates.

I actually agree with both sides of the arguments.

Lilja showed no ill effects from the knee surgeries, and in spite of the arguments that the Colts were a poor run blocking team, he was, as has been discussed, the best run blocker on that line.

He still has the mobility to get out in front when pulling and on screens.

Weigman also still has that mobility, as well.

Lilja is also an effective, albeit not dominating pass protector.
Yes, Manning decision making and quick passes did help, but it wasn't all strictly due to Manning.

The pass protection that Weigman provided, however, was lacking to say the least.

He's going to need help, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Lilja and Weigman double up substantially.

But at the end of the day, I still think there's a good chance that Brown and a drafted center are starters by season's end, making both Lilja and Weigman solid depth, which makes them good free agent additions.

I also wonder if Lilja moves back to LG after this season and Waters retires. It will definitely be interesting. But I think the Lilja move makes it likely that Center is their absolute #1 line priority.

Yeah, Weigmann will have to have help from Waters and Lilja, but I don't think he'll struggle as much as others have said he would. Him, Lilja, and Albert pulling and getting out in the open field for Charles will be nice to see though.

All I know is Wiegmann or whomever is at center is better than Niswanger. I hope to God we draft a Center and groom the kid to either start very early or back-up Wiegmann. That is why I'm not bothered by signing Wiegmann to a one year deal. I'd much rather take my chances on a old Wiegmann then a younger player that has proven to be a major FAIL in Niswanger. Put Niswanger at G as a back-up and pray that he can actually play. If Wiegmann fails, so freaking what, it would be no different than Niswanger, so it would be a push at worst.

As for Lilja, regardless of his reasons for exiting Indy, again is he better than what we have at LG? Heck yea he is better than anything we have there so why cry about it? Lets just hope he actually has plenty left in the tank and it was more a scheme issue than anything.

Aww to be a Chiefs fan or to be the one that covers them... most everyone wants to sh*t on every single move. Screw positives!

I don't think the article was actually saying "We should have signed Mawae". It's just saying that if they're gonna go out and get an old center, Mawae seemed like the more logical choice because of his connection to the front office.

So that raises the question of why they picked Casey, which is then explored. I think he's gonna start, but it's a good point that maybe they didn't promise him anything like they probably would have had to with Mawae.

I fully disagree.

I'm not sure he's better than Darryl Harris at this stage in his career, let alone Brian Waters.

Waters had a bad season in 2009 but I'd take him over Lilja.

And who's crying? This is a discussion forum. That's what we're all doing.

Discussing.

What about some of the guys we've been drafting in recent years? Guys like Richardson and Taylor and Magee and Brown? Can they even play, or what? If not, why the hell are they on the team? If they can play, why aren't they?

These are some damned questions.

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magee is a 5 tech
taylor is gone
brown was on i r
richardson is still here
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Forgot about Herb. He went to the Texans or somewhere, right?

I guess I just don't understand why we've been drafting OL and, with the exception of Albert, aren't getting anything out of those picks.

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i wonder too faxy, i thought you had all the answers
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ROFL

Hardly. I'm a seeker.

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McGee could still very well end up being a very good pick. He was only a rookie and 5-Tech at that.

I do agree some of our drafting with OL have been head scratchers as of late, but the only OL that Pioli has drafted is Brown. Brown was a rookie on the IR. He still has time to prove himself and grow as a player. He wasn't brought in to be immediate help it seems, but a hopefully starter a couple years down the line.