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DaWolf 03-22-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6624768)
The Dolphins? JFC, WHY would you include them?

It's been discussed to death but the Dolphins were smoke and mirrors. I said in January 2009 that they'd be LUCKY to be 8-8 last year and guess what?

They were 7-9.

And I don't disagree at all, but keep in mind that was a 1-15 team. To even sniff 8 wins a year later, to me, is a good turnaround. Was their division championship a lot of smoke and mirrors? Absolutely. But it was nevertheless a heck of a turnaround for one year...

Mecca 03-22-2010 03:51 PM

In 2003 San Diego picked 30th...not 3rd, there's a slight difference there. Of course that was after a trade down but they still did not have a top 5 pick.

keg in kc 03-22-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6624774)
That's all well and good but out of seven draft choices and 38 free agent acquisitions, the Chiefs were unable to find something they sorely lacked:

A game-changing, playmaking, difference maker.

Pioli can bring everyone that's even been associated with Parcell, Belichick and himself but until he drafts or signs some playmakers on both sides of the ball, this team will continue to falter.

I don't disagree with that. They do need playmakers. But the reality is, as I mentioned, that it's one offseason. And they need(ed) literally dozens of players across the board. I thought before they even started it was going to take three years to put the team together. Which doesn't mean that I'm saying last offseason was somehow unimportant or that it should be written off; the players they drafted last year have to be good. They have to be pieces of the puzzle, so to speak.

There have to be more this year, and eventually they have to add some playmakers to the bunch.

This is just my own (oft-stated) opinion, but I think the way the draft fell last year was primarily luck. Really, really bad luck. Because the Chiefs were in a position to draft a primetime player but, unfortunately for them, it was a draft without any, at least not once Stafford was off the board. I didn't want Sanchez any more than I wanted Cassel (and it's not because I'm shy about drafting a QB; I just didn't like Sanchez...). I didn't want Curry. Or Crabtree. I didn't want one of the offensive tackles after the way Albert played in 2008. I didn't want Orakpo (which may or may not be a mistake in the long run). I didn't want Jackson, either, but he actually fit exactly the kind of player I expected them to draft, so it didn't really come as any surprise. But, really, looking back at that list, what playmaker was there, especially if you look at it with April 2009 eyes...

I think this draft will ultimately be a lot more telling. And you won't find anybody more disappointed or disgusted than me if the first name called ends up being an offensive tackle. This is a much stronger class, and I think this draft as a whole is a better one, as deep as last year's was after you got past the weak-as-hell top of the first round. I think they have an opportunity to really land some talent, and they'll perhaps be more able to do so because they addressed some of the more workmanlike positions in 2009.

But that's just a guess...

Maybe in the end they'll just keep taking more linemen in every round.

Wilson8 03-22-2010 03:53 PM

I didn't like KC's 2009 draft but Keg has a good point that all of these players are young and deserve some time to develop. Alex Magee is only 22 years old. Tyson Jackson and Donald Washington are also only 23.

I wish we would have seen more potential from all of these players last year but let's see what happens this coming season with them.

I was kind of concerned seeing all of the CBs the Chiefs have been interviewing that are projected to go in the 2nd round. That would mean that Donald Washington is the FAIL.

Mecca 03-22-2010 03:53 PM

No matter what year it is you can not be missing on top 5 picks or trading for scrub QB's and act like you're building something for the long haul.

Dave Lane 03-22-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6623829)
He did inherit a team with a young LT with possible upside, an unknown unused RB, a player who played like a #2 WR with the dropsies, a CB with all the upside in the world, a DT that had been underwhelming, one of the best TE that wanted out and was near retirement, and the 3rd and 34th overall picks.

Now, if you look at what those assets were spun into, it's not surprising it was underwhelming.

Here's what I know you meant to say :)

DaWolf 03-22-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 6624809)
I was kind of concerned seeing all of the CBs the Chiefs have been interviewing that are projected to go in the 2nd round. That would mean that Donald Washington is the FAIL.

Washington was one of those guys they drafted more on potential than production. He may end up amounting to nothing, but he also declared as an underclassman, so last year should have been his senior year. Hopefully he doesn't end up being a failure...

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-22-2010 04:34 PM

He certainly brings piss and frustration to life on a daily basis.

MahiMike 03-22-2010 06:16 PM

You can argue if it was Pioli or Belichick behind the magic curtain. But you can't argue with the fact that he knows 'the system' inside and out. I always admired how the Patriots got prima donas to become team players.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-22-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 6624824)
Here's what I know you meant to say :)

No.

Branden Albert handled Richard Seymour and Joey Porter thoroughly in his rookie year. You don't do that if you're not really talented.

Bowe's production was right in line with a future top 10 WR.

Charles had already shown game breaking ability and ungodly speed. There wasn't really much of a difference between he and Felix Jones running up to the 2008 draft, but people forget that.

Gonzalez was an "over the top" piece, and the one transaction it looks like Pioli absolutely nailed.

We had the #3 overall pick and #34 in what is looking like a pretty ****ing underrated draft class..

ChiefsCountry 03-22-2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6625191)
We had the #3 overall pick and #34 in what is looking like a pretty ****ing underrated draft class..

With a ****ing franchise QB sitting at #3. Thats the hardest pill to swallow.

DeezNutz 03-22-2010 06:29 PM

Evaluation year. Get over it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-22-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6625203)
Evaluation year. Get over it.

"Rebuilding/Get Over It"

Mr. Flopnuts 03-22-2010 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6624321)
Well hey, let's take a look at YOUR post history.






Wow. You are a goddamn genius.

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Hammock Parties 03-22-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6625218)

Tripod doesn't allow hotlinking, n00b.


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