Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6974295)

I agree. Pioli will be here for a decade most likely. Heat is most definately on Haley.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974282)

Preseason shouldn't be an excuse to suck.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974282)

Look around the league.

How many teams that are projected to be division winners and playoff contenders looked like dogshit on both sides of the ball?

This whole "it's preseason" is a bullshit excuse. These guys have had OTA's, mini-camps and training camp and STILL look like ****ing dogshit.

Preseason shouldn't be an excuse to suck.

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 6974289)

McCluster couldn't handle being a full time WR than RB in the SEC. There is no way he can do it in the NFL. Right guys?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6974307)

What?

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6974291)

Oh Dane. I remember the 2003 offense looking like shit in pre-season might have scored 1 TD? Preseason is meaningless my friend.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974324)

The Chiefs 2003 offense had absolutely nothing in preseason to prove.

BIG difference.

How'd that 2003 preseason defense look?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974276)

Nonsense.

Sproles was a 4th rounder. Breaston was a 5th rounder. Perrish Cox was a 5th rounder.

Need I go on?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974276)

No, I don't "got" to look at like that, at all. While the Chiefs were and are in dire need of playmakers, I don't think the team would be worse if they had taken Lindval Joseph and Daryl Washington instead of Arenas and McCluster.

When the Chiefs are routinely gashed for 200 yards on the ground in 2010 and they only win 5 games tops, maybe THEN you'll understand.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974276)

Best Available is a matter of opinion and in my opinion, these guys were NOT the best available. The Chiefs have needs all over the roster and would have benefited more from guys that play every snap, not guys that are role players.

Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 6974304)

I don't think they've looked spectacular, but I don't think they've completely sucked. I've seen improvements in pretty much all areas of this team except for the QB play.

The O-line looks better, if not great. Bowe looks better. Chambers, I don't know, they never threw to him. The running game is deeper.

The D-line looks about the same. Linebackers appear to be better with Studebaker and (possibly) Williams. The secondary is the strength and is improved.

Special teams goes without mentioning.

This team will be as good as the QB plays IMO. If they can get a Steve Bono-esque performance out of Cassel (3200 yards, 20+ TDs, <15 INTs), this team will be decent.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6974305)

You know as well as I, there have been Super Bowl winners who have had crappy preseasons. Pre season game mean nothing for the most part.

Having said that, I think the Chiefs win 5 or 6 games.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6974330)

Pretty good as I recall. Preseason doesn't matter this team will win 6 games wether they went 4-0 in preseason or 0-4.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 6974331)

This wasn't a poor preseason.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974340)

The point isn't to win games. The point is for the One's to play well against opposing One's and to determine how the rookies and new players fit on the depth chart.

Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6974332)

That was what? 3,4 or 5 years ago? You don't see players like that lasting far into the draft simply because those kind of players have more value in the game today than they did before.





No I do understand. I don't look for ways to complain that they didn't draft this guy or that guy because they could of filled this position instead of that one, etc...this is a long term process, a rebuilding process that takes a while. i understand no team is going to get all their pieces in place overnight. But for what we drafted at that time in that round was good value, and those players definately addressed positions of need. Now the key is, do this very same thing next year, except at another position that we could use BPA to go with position of need.





Unfortunately the Chiefs disagree with you. You either cheer for them or complain against them.

Team needs aren't all going to be addressed in one night. People have to understand that. Accept the teams weaknesses for what they are, and hopefully they can address the team weaknesses next year. We argue about sh*t like this every year and it gets us nowhere. It's pointless. Considering what they got out of this years draft is progress. Like it or not. We should be grateful instead of complaining. Besides, what makes these picks great is that these guys( Arenas and McCluster) can improve your team in more ways than one.