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DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rad (Post 6979571)
I think it's better than a GM that stubbornly holds on to turds just because he drafted them. Flush 'em and move on. Let's hope he'll be willing to do the same thing with the QB if it doesn't pan out this year.

If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

rad 09-05-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979586)
If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

The higher the pick, the longer the leash, I guess.

DaFace 09-05-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979552)
It's frustrating.

Call me a "Drafturbator" or "Draftabulator" or whatever you'd like, but the bottom line is that is that I correctly predicted the awful nature of our 2009 NFL draft (along with Goff, Thomas, Engram, et al).

I wish I had been wrong. Or at least, I wish someone had paid me $5 million a year in 2009 to be right.

If Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee continue to tread water, it will set this franchise back even further because they'll need at least two more 3-4, 5 tech defensive ends before truly being able to compete, along with at least one inside linebacker and a QB.

More to the point, the Chiefs will need the same exact players in 2011 as they drafted/traded for in 2009.

:facepalm:

It could've been worse. At least we didn't trade a 1st round pick to take a player that was cut a year later. Granted, our first rounders haven't exactly been lighting it up lately.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rad (Post 6979605)
The higher the pick, the longer the leash, I guess.

Which, no offense, negates your earlier thoughts.

The Chiefs have too much money invested in TyJack and Cassel than to just cut them after one year (that would be $30 million out the door with minimal to no return on investment).

I guess they'd rather shell out another $30 million before determining their fate.

:eek:

keg in kc 09-05-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979586)
If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

If you're disappointed because he didn't dump starters on cutdown day, then I'd say you're just looking to be disappointed. Magee's another story, although it looked like he may have gotten the "you're expendable" message judging by the way he played against the Packers. I'm thinking somebody straight out told him "show something or you're gone".

There's still some conjecture that Jackson maybe needs to get that message, too, but I can't say either way on that.

As far as Cassel goes, the problem with cutting him now is that he was the only first string QB throughout the offseason and preseason it would leave Croyle as the only QB on the roster. If they were going to make that move, it needed to be done in March, not now.

RealSNR 09-05-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979586)
If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

This.

The only good moves Pioli has made other than the Thomas Jones signing have been SUCH gimmes. Cutting Mike Brown, signing Lilja (representing offensive line help), Chambers, drafting Eric Berry, etc. These are all moves 99.9% of the tards here on Chiefsplanet would have made. They're so obvious. No amount of NFL experience was necessary to make these choices.

People said, "PIOLI IS REDEEMED" with the home run pick of Berry. Uhh... no, not really. Scott Pioli wouldn't have been able to show his face at an NFL executive meeting without others pointing and laughing at him if he didn't pick. Hell, he's made so many goddamn mistakes that he probably wanted to take some asshole like Okung but instead drafted Berry out of fear.

I will give him credit. His personal connections did land us two pretty damn good coordinators. All of his other moves have been dogshit.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6979621)
If you're disappointed because he didn't dump starters on cutdown day, then I'd say you're just looking to be disappointed. Magee's another story, although it looked like he may have gotten the "you're expendable" message judging by the way he played against the Packers. I'm thinking somebody straight out told him "show something or you're gone".

There's still some conjecture that Jackson maybe needs to get that message, too, but I can't say either way on that.

As far as Cassel goes, the problem with cutting him now is that he was the only first string QB throughout the offseason and preseason it would leave Croyle as the only QB on the roster. If they were going to make that move, it needed to be done in March, not now.

My post was contradictory to Rad's, not a realistic depiction of events.

There are some here that think Cassel won't be cut in 2011, regardless of his 2010 performance because that would mean Pioli admitting defeat. I'm not to condemn him at this point but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

But IMO, there is no reason why Magee should be on the squad. None.

keg in kc 09-05-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979630)
There are some here that think Cassel won't be cut in 2011, regardless of his 2010 performance because that would mean Pioli admitting defeat. I'm not to condemn him at this point but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I'm with you on that one. I think if Cassel plays poorly to the point that it costs the team victories, he's gone. What I worry about (and what I expect to see) is what happens when Cassel has an average year that doesn't either significantly hamper or enhance the team's performance.

the Talking Can 09-05-2010 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6979642)
I'm with you on that one. I think if Cassel plays poorly to the point that it costs the team victories, he's gone. What I worry about (and what I expect to see) is what happens when Cassel has an average year that doesn't either significantly hamper or enhance the team's performance.

he could - and should - easily put up an 80 QB rating with Weis' dink and dunk...

which would probably mean we keep him for 4 years

and all the pats fans, pioli zombies, and pawnsmokers spend two more years celebrating the time we're wasting on a fraud...

and then we start all over again in 2012

i honestly believe this is the most probable series of events...and it makes me want to kill all the candy and sunshine in the world

Mr. Laz 09-05-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6979653)
and it makes me want to kill all the candy and sunshine in the world

ROFLROFL


i know this feeling

Sfeihc 09-05-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979552)
It's frustrating.

Call me a "Drafturbator" or "Draftabulator" or whatever you'd like, but the bottom line is that is that I correctly predicted the awful nature of our 2009 NFL draft (along with Goff, Thomas, Engram, et al).

I wish I had been wrong. Or at least, I wish someone had paid me $5 million a year in 2009 to be right.

If Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee continue to tread water, it will set this franchise back even further because they'll need at least two more 3-4, 5 tech defensive ends before truly being able to compete, along with at least one inside linebacker and a QB.

More to the point, the Chiefs will need the same exact players in 2011 as they drafted/traded for in 2009.

:facepalm:

I honestly think Pioli is stealin' the Hunt's money. That draft last year set the franchise back as much as any of CP's. Don't look now but I think the Lions are closer to building a consistent winner than our Chiefs.

CoMoChief 09-05-2010 04:32 PM

JETS RELEASE TRICH!!!!!

Come on Pioli, sign him to a 1 yr deal, let him retire a Chief.

DaFace 09-05-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6979686)
JETS RELEASE TRICH!!!!!

Come on Pioli, sign him to a 1 yr deal, let him retire a Chief.

Ain't gonna happen, but I wouldn't bitch if it did. TRich's departure was symbolic - the team hasn't been competitive since he left.

Mecca 09-05-2010 04:38 PM

For all the talk about leaders might as well sign Richardson.

Pioli Zombie 09-05-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 6979684)
I honestly think Pioli is stealin' the Hunt's money. That draft last year set the franchise back as much as any of CP's. Don't look now but I think the Lions are closer to building a consistent winner than our Chiefs.

Man,you guys are just a bunch of miserable old women. Its been a ****ing year. They were a 2-14 disaster to start with. Why don't you try to relax and enjoy the season.


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