Yea I can say that, he throws the ball hard when the receiver is 4 yards from him. He has no touch an he isn't accurate. That's the facts.

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!

Sadly that is still better than Cassel

With how well the o-line has been playing, I'm not certain that there is a 100% bonified guarantee that Croyle would have a life threatening injury.

Precisely!:thumb: I have been on the "wait-n-see" wagon about Cassel up until today. Today was a big game and big players come up "big in big games" and Cassel and Bowe proved they are not "big game players". But after following the game on the internet and the scoring ticker on TV today I could see and safely assume that Cassel and Bowe were not making the "big plays" when needed.

And after coming here in CP and reading the "fair knowledgable objective posters" you confirmed it.:thumb:

Cassel has never been threatened by losing his job so why should he try to get better? Consciously he wants to get better and I would believe him if he said it but "subconsciously" there is no sense of "urgency" and now a fire has to be lit. But maybe as some of you have said Cassel "can't" improve because he "sucks" that bad.:shrug:

But the big question is what Haley "really" thinks of Cassel especially after this game. A change at QB will only occur if Haley feels Cassel has lost the confidence of the team, not just the offensive side of the ball.

Yes, the defense is clicking on all cyclinders right now but that won't last long if our D is out on the field 2/3rds if not 3/4qtrs of the game from here on out.

Does Haley make the move?

There's 1 legitimate case for not handing the team to Croyle at this point. He might actually succeed.

What if Croyle comes in and plays well? Plays well enough to get us into the play-offs? Sign him to a new contract? So our QB next year for our up and coming play-off team is Brokie Frayle?

The last thing we want is for Croyle to look good enough that the front office wants to move forward with him. If he was gonna be the guy, he needed to be the guy before now.

At the risk of sounding like I'm cashing it in this season, when it comes to QBs I want this team to flush in the spring of 2011.

You are completely missing the point of all this. No one here thinks Brodie could be the future here. People just want to see something different. Croyle has a live arm, Cassel does not. They need to try something. Its obvious this Cassel experiment is not working.

All I know is that I want to become the Chiefs head of security. I was a badass in High School - nobody could whip me. Plus I was a member of one of the most elite military dynasties in history. I'll do the job for $630k.

Brodie Croyle never had defense to play with that the chiefs have. Ya, Croyle isnt the answer, but he a better option than Cassel.

You are missing the numerous posts I have stated I am fine with Croyle starting.

I just think it's the same thing except an injury away from going back to the same thing.

I would love to be wrong though.

You make very valid points. When Pioli and Haley came here, if they really thought Croyle could be developed into a starter they would have done so. But their assessment is that Brodie is nothing more than a b/u.

So at best I see them using Brodie as a motivator "possibly" on a very "short lease" regardless of Croyle's play. I say "possibly" because we really haven't seen Pioli's ego put in a position until now to either 'do what it takes to win and make common sense decisions in the time of crisis or just continue to "pad the ego in denial and try to force a round peg in a square hole".

Damn guarantee you this is Pioli's decision and not Haley's. Pioli comes from the Parcells tree and Parcells wasn't afraid to shake the "apple cart". I predict that Cassel will get the Houston game and that will be it if Cassel doesn't show significant progress.

Ironically Brodie will never come in unless Cassel's injured.

JUST PLAY THE GUY! I hear the injury stuff, but how do we lose in putting him in? Just play him.

I don't think Haley will create a controversy by pulling Cassel this year. I think Haley views our team as still in the building process. Casse,l will play out his contract and if he sucks all year he won't be resigned then we will give Croyle the opportunity next year unless we find a better alternative.

Then what's gonna happen, he plays bad? I think a benching is the best thing for him right now. Hell, it may help his game. It needs to be done.