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milkman 03-03-2011 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7465648)
Ah, okay. So it's not that we disagree so much as you're telling me what I already know.

My OP: "The Chiefs won't pick that guy, but this is who I want."

MM: "Chiefs aren't going to pick that guy."

Thanks for that.

Your arguing what you want to do.

I'm telling you that I don't give a rat's ass what you want to do.

Direckshun 03-03-2011 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7465649)
Your arguing what you want to do.

I'm telling you that I don't give a rat's ass what you want to do.

I hope you see the silliness in trying to convince a thread starter that you don't care about his thread in 10 posts.

milkman 03-03-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7465654)
I hope you see the silliness in trying to convince a thread starter that you don't care about his thread in 10 posts.

That's not what I said.

I'm saying rather than looking at a player that doesn't fit what Crennel, take another look and find someone that you like at 21 that does fit.

You have some good draft posts, and I'm more interested in who you would like that does fit.

Direckshun 03-03-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7465660)
That's not what I said.

I'm saying rather than looking at a player that doesn't fit what Crennel, take another look and find someone that you like at 21 that does fit.

You have some good draft posts, and I'm more interested in who you would like that does fit.

That's fair.

Saccopoo 03-04-2011 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7465571)
Buddy, we're CHIEFS FANS.

The best teams we've fielded in the past 25 years have fit your philosophy. And they do shit in the playoffs because they can't open the game up effectively and they can't get to the opposing QB.

Period. Clay's right, virtually every Super Bowl proves this.

You must be able to open the game up on offense, and you must be able to get to the opposing QB.

Vermiel's teams could certainly open it up offensively, and Marty's teams could most definitely get to the quarterback. (And there were a couple of Marty teams that could also open it up offensively.)

And as I stated, the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacking the opposing quarterback. That's not sucking. Thats being in the top 1/3 of the entire league.

However, I don't think that sacking the opposing quarterback should be the sole determining factor in measuring potential success of a team. The Steelers and the Packers were the two best teams in terms of sacking the quarterback in 2010. Both ended up in the Super Bowl. However, the rest of the top ten teams in sacking the quarterback didn't fare so well in terms of playoff success:

1. Pittsburgh Steelers
2. Green Bay Packers
2. Oakland Raiders
2. San Diego Chargers
5. New York Giants
6. Detroit Lions
7. St. Louis Rams
8. New York Jets
8. Tennessee Titans
10. Kansas City Chiefs

Only four of those teams were in the playoffs, one of them being Kansas City.

I'm not saying sacks are bad. I'm just saying that they aren't the end all, be all in determining a playoff team. And that Kansas City wasn't that bad at getting to the quarterback in 2010.

While their pass rush could be better, it's not bad at all and in the top 1/3 of the NFL. They've got some other areas in which they could improve on, substantially so.

Hammock Parties 03-04-2011 12:14 AM

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Vermiel's teams could certainly open it up offensively, and Marty's teams could most definitely get to the quarterback.
And none of those teams could put it all together, which is my entire point.

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And as I stated, the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacking the opposing quarterback. That's not sucking. Thats being in the top 1/3 of the entire league.
We had one legit pass rusher last year and it was our downfall. I don't care about stats and if you actually watched the games, neither would you.

There is no way an OT has a larger impact on our football team than Justin Houston or a WR. None whatsoever.

Saccopoo 03-04-2011 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7465874)
And none of those teams could put it all together, which is my entire point.

We had one legit pass rusher last year and it was our downfall. I don't care about stats and if you actually watched the games, neither would you.

There is no way an OT has a larger impact on our football team than Justin Houston or a WR. None whatsoever.

Do you really think that if we had a WR or Houston that we would have beat the Ravens? Or the Raiders in the last game of the regular season?

Really?

Versus a competent player at offensive tackle?

Really?

And you speak of actually watching the games?

jd1020 03-04-2011 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7465908)
Do you really think that if we had a WR or Houston that we would have beat the Ravens? Or the Raiders in the last game of the regular season?

Really?

Versus a competent player at offensive tackle?

Really?

And you speak of actually watching the games?

Why do the Chiefs have to beat a team that kicked their ass to consider 1 player a team improvement.

Do you really think a slight upgrade at T is going to beat the Ravens?

Really?

Versus another competent WR?

Really?

HighChief 03-04-2011 01:37 AM

I love kerrigan. But the more and more i think about it 1) He just isnt a real good fit for us and 2) He will be gone by 21 anyway.

I think we all can agree that the only way we beat the ravens and pats and colts is to get more depth at all positions. We have a good starting unit but we need depth to win in january.

As of right now i think we will go with someone that will make us go WTF ha ha. I think Phil Taylor is the guy this year but who knows? We need a NT and these guys take a couple of years to come into their own.

From what i remember of the playoff game was Cassle just sitting there all day waiting for something to open up. Then he had to force it and threw some bad passes. WR AND NT is a must upgrade imho

How the F did bowe not make a single catch in that game? Still pisses me off

Saccopoo 03-04-2011 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7465915)
Why do the Chiefs have to beat a team that kicked their ass to consider 1 player a team improvement.

Because that's what C.E. implied. That a lack of a second pass rusher or another wide receiver was the Chiefs downfall in 2010.

If you don't like what was offered, you should whine and throw your little hissy fit in his direction.

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Do you really think a slight upgrade at T is going to beat the Ravens?

Really?
Nope.

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Versus another competent WR?

Really?
In a hypothetical comparison of a single player addition, you bet.

Chiefnj2 03-04-2011 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HighChief (Post 7465923)

I think we all can agree that the only way we beat the ravens and pats and colts is to get more depth at all positions. We have a good starting unit but we need depth to win in january.

I completely disagree. KC needs starters - OLB, ILB, C, RT, WR2, WR3, NT and arguably DE and HB.

Chiefnj2 03-04-2011 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7465874)


We had one legit pass rusher last year and it was our downfall. I don't care about stats and if you actually watched the games, neither would you.

There is no way an OT has a larger impact on our football team than Justin Houston or a WR. None whatsoever.

How often did Crennel rush Vrabel or Studebaker??

Hammock Parties 03-04-2011 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7465908)
Do you really think that if we had a WR or Houston that we would have beat the Ravens?

I think if we actually had a passing game, yes, we would have beaten the Ravens, especially if we also had another pass rusher. We need to build towards those goals. We need to build a passing game that ranks in the top half of the league or we are going nowhere.

Cassel had plenty of time to throw the ball against Baltimore but you want to draft an OT. You're a genious.

Saccopoo 03-04-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7465972)
I completely disagree. KC needs starters - OLB, ILB, C, RT, WR2, WR3, NT and arguably DE and HB.

I'd add LT and QB to that list as well. Albert was horrible last season and I wish that people would stop giving him a free pass just because he's young and he was a first rounder. He's had three years of starting to figure it out and it's not happening. He is a liability at the second most important position on the offensive side of the ball. And Cassel isn't good. He's inaccurate on his throws, has terrible pocket presence and doesn't see the field/go through his progressions at an NFL QB level.

I also think that Belcher was quite effective at MLB, Johnson had an excellent season (finally) and that Mays and particularly Williams were good backups at the MLB/ILB spots respectfully. The two inside LB spots along with the defensive backfield are the least of this teams concerns. Getting a defensive line that would keep the guards from getting out to the second level would help the linebackers even more.

Personally, I think that the coaching staff, particularly Crennel, did wonders last year.

They were also aided by a schedule that perfectly played to the strengths of the 2010 Chiefs team. (Bad pass rushing teams and team that don't defend the run very well.)

Next season, the schedule won't be as fortunate and I think that we'll get a better understanding of how truly ready we are to be a playoff team and where our greatest needs are from a roster perspective.

keg in kc 03-04-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7465972)
I completely disagree. KC needs starters - OLB, ILB, C, RT, WR2, WR3, NT and arguably DE and HB.

I would say OLB, C, RT, WR2 and NT. The rest would be luxury moves. And I'd fill as many of them as I can before the draft so we can focus on drafting for talent rather than position.


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