OK man. Obviously it takes more than a game manager to win a SB. A dominant defense is a given. It's happened before and I have no doubt it will likely happen again. I never said Cassel/Chiefs/our defense would do it... but I wouldn't speak in absolutes and say it won't happen again soon or ever again.

Dude I don't care how we do it lol i just want us to win another Super Bowl before we all die. I won't complain :)

Bart Starr, Len Dawson, Bob Giese, Troy Aikman and early Tom Brady are examples of elite game managers that I would call franchise QBs. I don't expect Cassel to reach this level, but that would be his high end. The biggest problem is accuracy, coolness in the pocket, and decision making. Trent Green and Rich Gannon are the only two that I can think of that figured it out at age 29 or later.

But I agree that Cassel will probably sooner or later be Haley's downfall, which is a shame because 1) he didn't pick him and 2) I have a feeling that overall Haley is a pretty good coach.

This is why I came here.
After going to the Coalition first and posting the numbers showing
what an anomaly Baltimore and Tampa Bay were it fell on deaf ears there.
Game managers are once in a blue moon.
Franchise qb's make you a SB contender every year.

Welcome man!

Are all franchise qb's.
I don't penalize a qb because he had a good running team.
Aikman on a more qb friendly offense would have had sick numbers.


To me it's simple.

Franchise qb
Can we win a sb with this guy? F ya and we prob will.

Game manager same question.
If our defense plays well and we get the running game going....blah blah blah.

I grew up on smash mouth football.
I went to some of Larry Csonka's college games as a kid but you have to do what wins today.
And a franchise qb is number one priority.

Considering they last won the SB 1 month before I was born......... I'd take another even with Glenn Dorsey at QB.

So what happens if Cassel takes a step back this year? Haley has to be eager to replace him right? He isn't going to place his possible last year with the team on a 5th round pick who hasn't started in the NFL.

Pioli trades a 2nd to Green Bay for Matt Flynn.

Boom. Another 7th round pick who overachieved in a backup role behind a HOF quarterback on an elite team.

ITS THE CIRCLEEEEEEEEEEEE OF LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE

Thats the interesting situation IMO. If Cassel doesn't stand up to this schedule, what does Haley and Pioli do? Haley wouldn't want to depend on Stanzi to save his job would he? What other options are there? Other problem is, if the team improves all around except QB, doesn't that make a QB switch to a guy thats got a learning curve even worse for Haley?

Haley really may have his coaching life stuck to a guy that Pioli brought in. That or he is going to have to hope that either Stanzi or whoever replaces Cassel, if need be, steps up. With the rest of this roster hopefully ready for a serious push in 2012, Haley can't afford to have QB issues.

I was 11.
I won $5 from a friend who was a viking fan.
That was serious cash for an 11 yr old back then.
Cigarettes were about 30 40 cents a pack at the time.
Spent it on bowling foosball and pinball and had enough left over to get a grocery bag of junk food.

Now if we have a horrible season and Haley puts Matt on the bench, using Palko to mop up the season over Stanzi would put him in some major hot water. I really don't see anything he can do to cost himself 2012 unless he really craps out. Even a bad record probably wouldn't do it, unless he was making tons of mistakes.

I am biased because I like Haley but I don't want Haley being a lame duck coach in 12.
If Haley had insisted on Cassel then his fate may possibly be linked to him.
We all know that wasn't the case.
Even if Cassel doesn't work out he deserves a shot with Stanzi or whomever else we draft.
I always looked at Cassel as a bridge from horrible to respectable and figured the next guy was going to be the one.

Im a huge Haley guy. There are plenty of things I feel he needs to work on, but I have liked him from the start. Im just afraid that his fate may be tied to Cassel, unfair as it may be.