No I didn't say that at all. I can still hope for the best, but that does't mean I will have confidence that they can do it until they have atleast shown a tad bit of promise of being able to do so.

I can't remember any QB the Chiefs have aquired through the draft and have atleast developed even into a decent backup QB, let alone a shitty starter.

i agree, our OL was bomb back then.

The OL really is the foundation of an offense. That was the way that vermiel treated the OL, and it showed. We had one of the best offensive lines in the history imo.

And dead on about cassel. He is a backup at best.

Worst play a QB could make in that situation. Absolutely the worst play.

I love how your only knowledge of football comes ONLY from the Chiefs.

I also love how you cannot process how all FAs are NOT necessarily high priced.

Also, NE, PIT, and Indy are the *exception* to the rule? LOL. They *are* the rule. Name me three other teams that have built a more solid franchise? You can't. Name the ones who did it with HIGH PRICED FAs too. Hell, name me one team that did it the Dan Snider way.

again, look at the FO's and coaching staffs...also drafting a caliber player like manning, where it actually turns out well, doesnt happen often. A lot of those teams got lucky...

Again, look at the O-Lines of the SB winners.

There's a couple of very good ones, but for the most part, it's QB play that wins SBs, and those QBs make their O-Lines look better than they are.

64.5 QB rating with 10 of 22 completions going to the running backs. Just terrible. Please, please, please let this be Cassell's last year here.

Awesome. So name me the teams that didn't get "lucky" and built a quality franchise with High Priced FAs?

You can't.

derp herp we're on a chiefs forum...

all assumptions of things I never said. And ive already addressed the part where coaching plays the ultimate role.

So true.

Brady was the least sacked QB in 07 and 09. Yet Cassel was the MOST sacked QB in 08...behind the exact same line.

Look at the Colts oline w/o Peyton.

Cassel has no pocket presence. For all the crybaby whining, that's a legit knock against him. Hell, that's where so many of his probs stem from, IMO.

Haleys worst mistake, bar none... he should've done whatever it took to keep him here.

Stodgy, first timer Muir, calling in plays to Zorn, who turns around & sends them to Cassel... how the hell was that supposed to work?

look here phaggot, I never said that teams should go strictly free agency while ****ing away with the draft.

The fact is, drafting alone, in our current state and our unique situation..is not enough for this team... ya dirty bitch.

I honestly don't know how much his ribs affected his play today. You can't ignore that fact, but neither can you hang today's performance solely on the injury. Passes sailed (as a result of not stepping into throws). I have to think that's harder to do when your ribs are cracked. I could be wrong though. I'm no Jim Zorn. I won't pretend to know. But I also saw him putting the ball in bad spots and throwing behind receivers. Not sure you can blame a rib injury for that (as we've seen that in the past).

If these types of performances continue...
The Chiefs need to move on either during or after the '11 season.

Cassel passes have always sailed. He's a shit Qb plain and simple.

Hey dumbass, the Chiefs aren't the only team in the NFL. If your only understanding of football comes solely from what happens here -- then you simply do not follow football.

Derp.



Then wtf *are* you saying? Cause it sounds like you want high priced FAs. Sorry, but that won't build you a quality franchise.