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BigMeatballDave 09-18-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oRYMANo (Post 7922187)
The 3-4 Defense is a giant failure. It's time to go to the 4-3. Hope fully they could at least stop the run with Powe's fat ass in there.

Powe has been inactive both games.

chiefzilla1501 09-18-2011 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7922241)
Haley probably would have eventually been hired as another team, but I don't think that he would have been hired by a team without tree connections, as I don't think that he has a personality necessary to be a HC for guys making millions.

Let's not go overboard here. Haley was a coveted coach and I think it's a little convenient to say this team gave up because Haley is a dick. Let's not use the convenient argument that Haley was only hired because of "the tree."

Haley's been effective at coaching some areas, and he's made a few mistakes here and there. But you can only coach what you have on the field. And when you take away Moeaki and Berry, this team is average at best. When you take away Moeaki, Berry, and Charles... this team is downright ugly.

chiefzilla1501 09-18-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oRYMANo (Post 7922187)
The 3-4 Defense is a giant failure. It's time to go to the 4-3. Hope fully they could at least stop the run with Powe's fat ass in there.

I'm fine with the 3-4.

But I'm really questioning if the 2-gap version is out-of-date. Switch over to 1-gap or Zone Blitz.

BigMeatballDave 09-18-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7922369)
Let's not go overboard here. Haley was a coveted coach and I think it's a little convenient to say this team gave up because Haley is a dick. Let's not use the convenient argument that Haley was only hired because of "the tree."

Haley's been effective at coaching some areas, and he's made a few mistakes here and there. But you can only coach what you have on the field. And when you take away Moeaki and Berry, this team is average at best. When you take away Moeaki, Berry, and Charles... this team is downright ugly.

You could have summed all that up by just saying Matt Cassel sucks.

Brianfo 09-18-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7922369)
Let's not go overboard here. Haley was a coveted coach and I think it's a little convenient to say this team gave up because Haley is a dick. Let's not use the convenient argument that Haley was only hired because of "the tree."

Haley's been effective at coaching some areas, and he's made a few mistakes here and there. But you can only coach what you have on the field. And when you take away Moeaki and Berry, this team is average at best. When you take away Moeaki, Berry, and Charles... this team is downright ugly.

I agree. The only playmakers on both sides of the ball. Moeaki was also Cassels safety blanket. FUK U Jon Baldwin.

Deberg_1990 09-18-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7922369)
Haley was a coveted coach

He was? By who other than the Chiefs?

chiefzilla1501 09-18-2011 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7922403)
He was? By who other than the Chiefs?

Granted, it was only the media hyping him up, but even before the Chiefs entered the head coach picture, he was touted as an up-and-coming coach because of the Cards' Super Bowl run. He wasn't interviewed by many teams because teams generally don't poach coordinators in the middle of a Super Bowl run.

chiefzilla1501 09-18-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 7922384)
You could have summed all that up by just saying Matt Cassel sucks.

It's a little of that, and a little of just shitty luck striking at the wrong time.

What makes me more okay with the timing of all this is t hat clearly we're not getting to the Super Bowl with Matt Cassel. And if there was ever a year for the Chiefs to be in the QB sweepstakes, this is the year.

BigMeatballDave 09-18-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7922438)
It's a little of that, and a little of just shitty luck striking at the wrong time.

What makes me more okay with the timing of all this is t hat clearly we're not getting to the Super Bowl with Matt Cassel. And if there was ever a year for the Chiefs to be in the QB sweepstakes, this is the year.

Yep. I'm just terrified Pioli will pass on Luck.

chiefzilla1501 09-18-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 7922443)
Yep. I'm just terrified Pioli will pass on Luck.

Sad but true

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-18-2011 08:29 PM

The vast majority of the pub Haley got run for was the fact that he was irascible and always argued with players, whether Warner (well publicized), Boldin, or others.

chiefzilla1501 09-18-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7922506)
The vast majority of the pub Haley got run for was the fact that he was irascible and always argued with players, whether Warner (well publicized), Boldin, or others.

C'mon man. The reason Haley got publicity is because Warner, Boldin and Fitzgerald gushed over the guy. Keyshawn Johnson gushed over the guy. Steve Breaston wanted to come back to Haley for cheap. If I'm not mistaken, Warner and Fitzgerald are still very close to Haley to this day.

You're twisting the facts. By all accounts, Haley was extremely well liked in Arizona by his players.

And I'm sure his publicity had just a little to do with the fact that he coordinated a Super Bowl offense.

The Franchise 09-18-2011 08:47 PM

At this point.....I want the entire coaching staff gone. Crennel's defensive schemes are horrible. Muir never should have been hired. Haley doesn't have enough sense to keep his nose out of offense.

DaKCMan AP 09-18-2011 08:48 PM

My favorite play today was right before half when Cassel ran around for 10 minutes and then took a sack instead of wobbling the ball to the 15 yard line on a hail mary play.

The Franchise 09-18-2011 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7922583)
My favorite play today was right before half when Cassel ran around for 10 minutes and then took a sack instead of wobbling the ball to the 15 yard line on a hail mary play.

Did you see Haley after that happened? He was yelling at Cassel to just throw it up there.

Apparently Matt was waiting for someone to get open on the hail mary.


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