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Inspector 10-06-2011 02:12 PM

Ok, I'll admit I'm no expert on the family connection here so these 2 lines quoted below have me confused. (But that is easy to do and happens a lot)

"Did I mention that Pioli married Parcells’ daughter more than a decade ago?"

"Parcells bequeathed his son-in-law Todd Haley as head coach"

So, does Parcells have 2 daughters, one married to Pioli and the other to Haley, or did Pioli divorce her and then Haley married her later?

WTF?

King_Chief_Fan 10-06-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 7972555)
The 180s remind me of another CP'er around here...if I could just think of his name...He's a big Whitlock fan.


here's a hint: his initials are GoChiefs

MMXcalibur 10-06-2011 02:17 PM

Egoli....haha, oh man, that just NEVER gets old!

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2011 02:19 PM

Whitlock loses credibility when he flip flops on these guys and makes it personal, which is too bad, because the stuff he points out in this article about Parcells' failures are completely accurate.

There is no more overrated figure in NFL history than Bill Parcells.

Chiefnj2 10-06-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7972602)
Whitlock loses credibility when he flip flops on these guys and makes it personal, which is too bad, because the stuff he points out in this article about Parcells' failures are completely accurate.

There is no more overrated figure in NFL history than Bill Parcells.

I understand the goal is to win Super Bowls but saying Parcells' career is full of failures is a bit of a stretch, when he was the first coach to bring 4 different teams to the playoffs.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7972610)
I understand the goal is to win Super Bowls but saying Parcells' career is full of failures is a bit of a stretch, when he was the first coach to bring 4 different teams to the playoffs.

I didn't say his career was full of failures. Maybe Whitlock did. I did say he was accurate to point out his failures, which include undermining his team the week of the Super Bowl, his inability to ever win in the playoffs without Bill Belichick, and the disastrous state he left the Dolphins in.

The hard part of this is the nuance. The guy undoubtedly was a good coach. The problem arises when the hype machine turns a good coach into the greatest football mind of all time. He's not even close to that. You don't have to be terrible to be terribly overrated.

Chiefnj2 10-06-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7972620)
I didn't say his career was full of failures. Maybe Whitlock did. I did say he was accurate to point out his failures, which include undermining his team the week of the Super Bowl, his inability to ever win in the playoffs without Bill Belichick, and the disastrous state he left the Dolphins in.

The hard part of this is the nuance. The guy undoubtedly was a good coach. The problem arises when the hype machine turns a good coach into the greatest football mind of all time. He's not even close to that. You don't have to be terrible to be terribly overrated.

The big problem with Parcells, IMO, is that he knew he wasn't going to be around long. Because of that, he didn't want to bother with drafting and developing his own young QB. He was fine bringing in Testaverde, an old Bledsoe, and O'Donnell.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7972635)
The big problem with Parcells, IMO, is that he knew he wasn't going to be around long. Because of that, he didn't want to bother with drafting and developing his own young QB. He was fine bringing in Testaverde, an old Bledsoe, and O'Donnell.

Which is ironic given that he ended up hanging around in various forms for another 20 years after his original expiration date.

Rausch 10-06-2011 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitlock
Why? Because you don’t build football franchises around the personalities of the men who don’t suit up. You build franchises around the players.

Whut?...

Rausch 10-06-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7972635)
The big problem with Parcells, IMO, is that he knew he wasn't going to be around long. Because of that, he didn't want to bother with drafting and developing his own young QB. He was fine bringing in Testaverde, an old Bledsoe, and O'Donnell.

Bledsoe lead him to a SB so I don't know that I'd consider that a bad move...

Chiefnj2 10-06-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 7972673)
Bledsoe lead him to a SB so I don't know that I'd consider that a bad move...

Bledsoe in Dallas.

Rausch 10-06-2011 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7972691)
Bledsoe in Dallas.

No, that guy sucked...

WhiteWhale 10-06-2011 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7972635)
The big problem with Parcells, IMO, is that he knew he wasn't going to be around long. Because of that, he didn't want to bother with drafting and developing his own young QB. He was fine bringing in Testaverde, an old Bledsoe, and O'Donnell.

To be fair, I recall the late 90's and the early 00's were pretty thin on QB talent league-wide.

After NY Parcells was nothing more than a mercenary. He took short-cuts to success and then left after a few years and let other people clean it up.

chiefzilla1501 10-06-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7972620)
I didn't say his career was full of failures. Maybe Whitlock did. I did say he was accurate to point out his failures, which include undermining his team the week of the Super Bowl, his inability to ever win in the playoffs without Bill Belichick, and the disastrous state he left the Dolphins in.

The hard part of this is the nuance. The guy undoubtedly was a good coach. The problem arises when the hype machine turns a good coach into the greatest football mind of all time. He's not even close to that. You don't have to be terrible to be terribly overrated.

I don't think you can call him overrated. In each coaching gig he accepted, he turned a sub .500 franchise and turned them into a playoff team within 3 seasons. And every team he coached was better after he left.

There's a pretty short track record of coaches who have made a Super Bowl with multiple franchises. And in each of his 3 post-Giants gigs, he wasn't really around long enough to say he failed because he didn't make a Super Bowl. Super Bowls are incredibly difficult for any coach, especially when you have a 3-4 year road map.

Parcells deserves every bit of credit as a coach as he gets. His tree is what's overrated.

whoman69 10-06-2011 03:33 PM

I don't think you can even blame him for the Dolphins. What was his title while he was there? He got his guy in there as coach and it went well immediately. However Parcelles was pushed out of the organization. The organization should lay the blame on itself as they are the ones who courted a head coach without firing the guy they had first and then having to go back to say the supported the guy in there. They didn't want to give enough to get a QB this year and now are really screwed there. They will be fighting it out with the Colts for Luck.
Now Whitlock says that the Chiefs are his fault because Pioli used Parcelles as a pattern more than Bellicheck and then states the Piolio is trying to build Patriots west. Which way is it?


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