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petegz28 12-12-2011 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8197371)
We have no pass rush up the middle because our NT can barely win a 1 on 1.

Same with our DE's. The DT's job is to suck up the blocks in the middle and stand there. Not necessarily give a huge push. The push has to come from the DE's. You want the DT standing firm taking away the gap and taking up 2 blockers. We do not have a 3-4 D-line whatsoever. The only guy we have that has played in and is built for a 3-4 on the line is a guy who is so old he can't play every down.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:00 PM

Contrary to popular belief, at least as I understand it, the middle pass rush in a 3-4 is primarily going to come from a LB. The 3 D-lienman are there to take on double-teams and if they are blocked 1-1 they need to be able to shove the blocker into the QB's face. Otherwise their job is to stand firm at the line, not get knocked off the ball and take on the blockers so the LB's can hit the gaps.

mlyonsd 12-12-2011 07:01 PM

About all I can say on this entire day is I hope Pioli hires an established coach that can come in and take advantage of a pretty young talented team.

This next coach hiring will determine Pioli's skill (if he has any).

jd1020 12-12-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197393)
Same with our DE's. The DT's job is to suck up the blocks in the middle and stand there. Not necessarily give a huge push. The push has to come from the DE's. You want the DT standing firm taking away the gap and taking up 2 blockers. We do not have a 3-4 D-line whatsoever. The only guy we have that has played in and is built for a 3-4 on the line is a guy who is so old he can't play every down.

I don't know what to say if you believe that the DE's should be demanding 2 blockers and blaming the inside rush on the outside players.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8197428)
I don't know what to say if you believe that the DE's should be demanding 2 blockers and blaming the inside rush on the outside players.

You mean we don't have 2 ILB's? I am not sure you understand the 3-4.

jd1020 12-12-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197446)
You mean we don't have 2 ILB's? I am not sure you understand the 3-4.

I'm not sure you do. The NT is responsible for opening up the middle for the ILB's... not the ****ing DE's.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8197465)
I'm not sure you do. The NT is responsible for opening up the middle for the ILB's... not the ****ing DE's.

So what is the job of the DE's?

jd1020 12-12-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197474)
So what is the job of the DE's?

To beat his man.

Nightfyre 12-12-2011 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8197489)
To beat his man.

It's a tarp!

O.city 12-12-2011 07:20 PM

In a 34 your not gonna get sacks from your dline consistently. That's no the way it's built.

It's built to allow your 4 LBS to run free and make plays. We don't have a NT that can command a Double team, which allows one of our DE's to be dtd and blockers getting on our lbs.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8197489)
To beat his man.

Well guess what......ours aren't doing it

jd1020 12-12-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197519)
Well guess what......ours aren't doing it

Well, guess what? The problem is our interior not demanding a double team, allowing every pass rusher to be accounted for by a lineman.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197357)
Totally disagree. Dorsey and Jackson are ideal 4-3 DT's. Quick off the ball and gap hitters.

Sorry, neither of them are quick off the ball gap hitters.

For that very reason, the Chiefs don't play them in pass rush packages.

They are abysmal pass rushers.

O.city 12-12-2011 07:25 PM

Pete would you say the Ravens and the Steelers are the best 34 defenses in the league?


How many sacks come from their dlinemen?

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:25 PM

Tyson Jackson is 6-5, 300 lbs, and you want to play him at 4-3 DT.

You are an idiot, man.


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