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notorious 12-20-2011 12:12 PM

You two need to get a room.

Chief Faithful 12-20-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MotherLover (Post 8222963)
That's not their style. They could've let Cassell play under the tag for a season before hitting them with their monster deal. They chose to jump the gun.

In the interview with Hunt, Pioli asked why the team had so little success in the playoffs since the early 70's? Pioli was making a point to Hunt that so little success for such a long period was a sign of a endemic problem existing throughout all levels of the organization not just on the team. Ever wonder why he only keep two scouts from the old organization (Willie Davis being one)? Because they were the only two that showed a serious desire to learn a new method. Pioli was given a go and Pioli literally cleaned house after the 2009 draft.

What does this have to do with Cassel? He was the first step in creating the "right 53" or the "we can find 22 players off the street that can win more than two games"? They must have believed Cassel had already demonstrated in New England what they wanted in the new QB. Pioli and Belichick did the same thing with Bledsoe, brought him in first year then had no problem replacing him with Brady. The question, does Pioli and Crennel believe Orton is an upgrade over Cassel? If they do, based on Pioli's history, I don't think they will hesitate replacing Cassel with Orton.

notorious 12-20-2011 12:22 PM

They have eyes. They will make the right decision and either put Cassel on 2nd string or let him go.

Chief Faithful 12-20-2011 12:30 PM

:clap:
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 8223024)
They have eyes. They will make the right decision and either put Cassel on 2nd string or let him go.


Mr. Laz 12-20-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222960)
Do you really think they will, though?

Have no idea.

Just because Pioli passed on Mark Sanchez and Jimmy Clausen doesn't mean he will pass every time.

neither guy has proven to be that good so apparently he was correct.


how attached is he to Cassel? :shrug:


The shitty hire of Todd Haley has really screwed up the entire flow of evaluation and rebuilding.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 12:37 PM

If he was so attached to Cassel, why would he have gone the Kyle Orton route?

vailpass 12-20-2011 12:39 PM

Nice.

Chief Faithful 12-20-2011 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8223044)
If he was so attached to Cassel, why would he have gone the Kyle Orton route?

:banghead:

gone to Orton because gone Cassel

Rausch 12-20-2011 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8222999)

Looks like Corky - plays like DeBerg...

Mr. Laz 12-20-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8223044)
If he was so attached to Cassel, why would he have gone the Kyle Orton route?

Apparently he is open to the idea that Cassel is a problem.


But ... much like around here, there is still the conflict about changing the Head Coach and the QB at the same time. Hurts your ability to gauge how much of the problem was the HC and how much was the QB.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8223042)
The shitty hire of Todd Haley has really screwed up the entire flow of evaluation and rebuilding.

It isn't just Todd Haley, he signed Matt Cassel at the same time. The two really can't be reasonably separated.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8223044)
If he was so attached to Cassel, why would he have gone the Kyle Orton route?

Because Cassel was out for the season, Palko sucked, and Orton only had a few games left on his contract.

Picking up Orton really says nothing about how he feels about Cassel because Cassel is on IR.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8223059)
Apparently he is open to the idea that Cassel is a problem.


But ... much like around here, there is still the conflict about changing the Head Coach and the QB at the same time. Hurts your ability to gauge how much of the problem was the HC and how much was the QB.

Exactly.

evolve27 12-20-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8222886)
I am all about the final sentence in that paragraph.

Indeed

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8223080)
Because Cassel was out for the season, Palko sucked, and Orton only had a few games left on his contract.

Picking up Orton really says nothing about how he feels about Cassel because Cassel is on IR.

Sure it does. For the last 2 years, all I've read is how Pioli won't bring in any competition for QB. With the season half way over, and injuries all over the place, KC could have easily sat still and just played Stanzi (everyone) or Palko (Haley). Pioli knew that if Orton played well, it would start a QB controversy.


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