I put Succop and Belcher in there for a reason.

Let me ask you a question...

Which do you think makes more sense?

1) Phil Emery scouts Jovan Belcher while working for Atlanta and knows quite a bit about him being Belcher is a 4-3 DE at Maine and after Phil signed in KC on April 30th (after the draft) that he spoke up about JB to Pioli as a guy they should bring in and Belcher is signed May a week and a half later (he was signed May 9th)

2) Pioli and his ONE SCOUT found Belcher at Maine (when Belcher was a DE for them) and though/knew enough about his abilities to be able to play 3-4 ilb that they offered him a UDFA contract.

I listed the third and later guys that were good talents that slipped in the draft and that the ONLY one Pioli got on his own, even with high picks every round in 09, was Succop.

If you guys think either of the last two drafts were anything short of extremely good, you need to do some research on other teams drafts and re-assess your expectations to include realistic ones.

actually last years draft wasn't good because of who we drafted. It was how long we waited before we drafted them... By not jumping for Houston in the second, and waiting for Stanzi and Poe, it was like we knew exactly when other teams wanted to grab the guys we wanted.

(IE: top-secret stuff paying off)

Amazing, isn't it? Emery might be leaving (of course it's because of the bad atmosphere at Arrowhead, just like Haley), and suddenly he's the only reason the draft was working.

I never said they weren't good.

Phil Emery is the director of scouting. He's not the end all and be all of the scouting department. They have a lot of capable guys in that department now and it's not going to hell in a hand basket because he's leaving.

Of course. Don't forget Haley gone too is going to ruin our drafts.

Yeah, I mean his dad was a great scout, undoubtedly he must be too. After all, he spent a couple of years keeping his dad's coffee warm with the Jets.

It's not that at all, laz.

Pioli gets the credit for making decisions with information given to him by the people he puts in place to gather that information.

That's why you hire a director of college scouting.

All I'm saying is that the people giving him said information (Phil Emery managing them) have obviously done a really good job of collecting the information that Pioli bases his decisions on and that losing that information will probably hurt us because with said information the results were damn good.

That fair?

come on guys, we haven't won a superbowl yet, so it's obvious we haven't drafted well lately....

So, neither of you think that losing the director of college scouting after two solid drafts is a big deal?

I'm not saying we don't have people in place that could step up and do as good a job, it's possible.

I am just saying that the draft is what this team thrived on IMO the last two years and that hopefully session be able to continue our string of quality drafts (sans 09)

No, I doubt it's going to have any effect at all.

I also, unlike you, don't think Haley ever EVER had anything to do with the drafts. Just thinking about that makes me LMAO

Haley's "accomplishments" in the war room? LMAO. Maybe if a few Perkins waitresses were serving.

Pioli and Haley worked together on almost every pick.

Haley was also at the senior bowl practices as well as the combine.

But you're right, he never had anything to do with the draft.

I don't think Pioli and Haley worked together on much of anything, which is exactly why the latter is looking for HS golf programs to run.

According to Haleys interview after he got canned, the worked together in every pick but Pioli had the final say.

Said they argued about the Tyson Jackson pick.

I wonder who Haley wanted at the time?

Not sure. You could be right and Haley was in the loop and respected. But I have serious questions about how much The Gum Wrapper of the Decade trusts anyone other than his own genious.