Up or down?



Only reason I would take Richardson is based on Charles injury and injury history. Richardson is a monster who could handle a ton of carries if you need him to. I'm not sure that he woudln't end up being better than Charles.

Up.

I think that they go for Griffin.

It's going to be hard being better than Charles. Like I said, on any given Sunday, Charles is the best back in the league. And Richardson is coming off a knee scope of his own. No running back is completely immune to the injury bug, and because of what they do, they are susceptible to injury moreso than a lot of other positions.

If Charles' knee is okay, the Richardson pick is a bad one. If Charles is not sound medically, it's still a risky pick just based on the position alone.

Better than Charles is kind of a bad use of words.


I think he could be more complete than Charles. I don't think there is a RB duty that he guy can't do at a top level.

If I'm not mistaken, he just had his knee scoped. A knee he hurt earlier in the season but played with it for a little while.

I get the rb stuff, but IMO he's one of the top 4 or 5 talents in the draft. It would be hard to pass that up.

I think he's an elite level talent for the position.

There are some very nice players in this draft. Luck, Griffin, Kalil, DeCastro, Kuechly and Richardson are all "elite" level players. Blackmon, Claiborne, Konz and Jenkins are "near elite." And there are some really good, solid players like Reiff, Kirkpatrick and Martin. There is also some real high-ceiling "boom-bust" guys like Brockers, Poe, etc. It's one of the better first rounds that I can remember.

The problem is, the Chiefs kind of fall into a no-man's land at that #11 pick with regards to need/BPA. Richardson is a luxury. Kuechly is a luxury. DeCastro is a luxury. Griffin/Luck is going to cost an arm and a leg to go get. Martin is a left tackle. (Do they go that route and move Albert over to RT?) Do you draft a right tackle, like Reiff, that high?

It's a very solid, top heavy draft with a deep first round and good talent deep at a lot of positions. The Chiefs should come out with a very good player regardless.

I could get on board with RGIII, if we use the rest of our late picks to do some damage.


Which is possible as this is a deep draft.

You really think they will move up for RGIII?

I think that they are going to make an effort to do so.

Pioli takes McCluster with a very high second. He's a luxury pick in that we had Charles and Bowe. With the other second rounder he takes Arenas. Both are special team/third down specialists at that point.

The following year, he takes a safety in the top five. Something that's almost taboo in the draft.

These guys were speed guys, explosive guys. Also smart guys and team leaders.

Griffin is that same type of guy. At a substantially more important position.

He's moved up in the last couple of drafts for tight ends. It's not like he's against doing so.

I think Griffin is projecting as the type of guy Pioli wants, and I think that they get involved in the trade up process.

Would you do it Sac?


I think I would if we can keep our picks from the 3 on this year.

I don't know.

It's risky to give up what it's going to require to move up for an unknown commodity.

He doesn't have a big frame and I'd worry about potential injury due to his propensity to run on a play break down. He's not Tebow or Newton or Rothlisberger or even Luck.

He is electric though, and has already energized the fan base just thinking about him on the field in a Chief's uniform.

He comes across as intelligent, seems to have an understanding of the game and plays with passion. But so does a guy like Kellen Moore, who has four solid years of winning football behind him, and you could get Moore in the fifth/sixth round.

I just don't know. However, I think that they understand that the fan base needs something like this. Look what Tebow did in Denver. Newton in Carolina. I think Pioli/Crennel/Hunt want it and I think that they'll do their due diligence in exploring all the options.

One of the better posts ive seen in a while, minus the moore talk.

I was simply pointing out that it's the athleticism of Griffin that is putting him into the top ten as Moore has every intangible that you would want in a quarterback, minus that elite level athleticism that you get with Griffin.

But, as I mentioned, because he doesn't possess a big frame, and never will, that elite level of athleticism might come with the potential for injuries as the quarterback is susectible to those blind side, bad angle hit and tackles, especially when a play breaks down and he takes off running.

I see Griffin as a modern day equivilent of Fran Tarkenton. Tark was a very fast, athletic quarterback who also possessed a very good arm and superb field awareness but had a relatively small frame. He made a Hall of Fame career on his ability to successfully extend a play after it had broken down with both his arm and legs. If you've never seen Tarkenton play, it was absolutely electric - very similar to what you are going to get with Griffin. Frantic Fran was also very smart and had a great understanding of the game.

If Griffin possesses the uncanny ability to feel the defense and see the field like Tark did, he'll be just fine. If he relies simply on his arm and athleticism to play, much like Vick, he's going to open himself up to the potential for injuries.

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From the OP.

This is what Crennel is up against.