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qabbaan 07-08-2012 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8726484)
That's pure speculation.

They're doing the same thing they did with Carr. They weren't interested in paying market for a second #1 CB. That's fine. They let him get to the open market, threw a lowball offer at him, but more or less chose to downgrade to someone older whom they thought was good enough. Ok, if that's your decision, but don't play the "aww shucks, we tried" card.

You don't let a young player in his prime at a premium position hit the open market if you're serious about resigning him. Makes no sense. Pioli isnt an idiot. The only logocal conclusion is that they don't feel paying the player market value is something they need to do to win.

They appear to be following the Patriot way of trying to win with above average players who fit a profile rather than superstars in their prime production years.

That's all well and good, except most of us are starting to see that the Patriot Way has more to with working near Brady and Belichick than Pioli having some kind of way to beat the system.

ShowtimeSBMVP 07-08-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 8726500)
They're doing the same thing they did with Carr. They weren't interested in paying market for a second #1 CB. That's fine. They let him get to the open market, threw a lowball offer at him, but more or less chose to downgrade to someone older whom they thought was good enough. Ok, if that's your decision, but don't play the "aww shucks, we tried" card.

You don't let a young player in his prime at a premium position hit the open market if you're serious about resigning him. Makes no sense. Pioli isnt an idiot. The only logocal conclusion is that they don't feel paying the player market value is something they need to do to win.

They appear to be following the Patriot way of trying to win with above average players who fit a profile rather than superstars in their prime production years.

That's all well and good, except most of us are starting to see that the Patriot Way has more to with working near Brady and Belichick than Pioli having some kind of way to beat the system.

No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

Valiant 07-08-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8726411)
You can only franchise a player twice.

I thought it was 3 years, isnt that what is happening with brees?? franchised as a charger, now a saint, and they said one more time?

Rasputin 07-08-2012 08:19 PM

They over paid Cassel 63 million dollars.

Valiant 07-08-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8726504)
No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

What happens when/if Bowe does not sign?? Is it you do not pay for this position on a team with a bad QB?? The Chiefs had money to get both..

The you do not pay 2 #1's is not a valid argument anymore with the league turning into a passing happy league with the rules..

Mr. Laz 07-08-2012 08:21 PM

just pay him 300 million dollars and keep him!! He is the best WR in the history of the NFL, look at what he did with Cassle /CPtard

OnTheWarpath15 07-08-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8726504)
No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

No NFL team pays top money for two 5-techniques.

Oh, wait.

milkman 07-08-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 8726505)
I thought it was 3 years, isnt that what is happening with brees?? franchised as a charger, now a saint, and they said one more time?

I was mistaken, and have already been corrected.

Call me a dumbass and move on.

qabbaan 07-08-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8726504)
No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

I don't dispute that. The point was just that they were also not interested in retaining Carr unless it was at a steep discount. They tried to keep up appearances, but at the end of they day they have a salary range in mind for CB2 and he was out of their range.

I could be on board with it if we were using that savings to improve the team, but I'm guessing we won't see this.

OnTheWarpath15 07-08-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 8726500)
They're doing the same thing they did with Carr. They weren't interested in paying market for a second #1 CB. That's fine. They let him get to the open market, threw a lowball offer at him, but more or less chose to downgrade to someone older whom they thought was good enough. Ok, if that's your decision, but don't play the "aww shucks, we tried" card.

You don't let a young player in his prime at a premium position hit the open market if you're serious about resigning him. Makes no sense. Pioli isnt an idiot. The only logocal conclusion is that they don't feel paying the player market value is something they need to do to win.

They appear to be following the Patriot way of trying to win with above average players who fit a profile rather than superstars in their prime production years.

That's all well and good, except most of us are starting to see that the Patriot Way has more to with working near Brady and Belichick than Pioli having some kind of way to beat the system.

Nailed it.

Sadly, some of those average players who fit a profile are making the money the playmakers should be making.

mcaj22 07-08-2012 08:25 PM

there is only two scenarios with Bowe and the Chiefs. It's very simple.

1) They work on a long term deal, Bowe wants to play here, his agent and Pioli make it happen in terms of a long term deal. He may sign the franchise tender and then the couple months they have in the offseason a long term deal gets done then

or

2) He doesnt want to play here, signs the franchise tender, showcases his talents this year and then next years FA he walks. Chiefs will need to come to terms with if Bowes camp makes it clear they are stringing the Chiefs along to save face, they might have to trade him to get value out of him instead of nothing. (i.e. by the trade deadline.)

milkman 07-08-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8726485)
His play on the field justifies that level of pay.

Cassel and Jackson are just examples of where this organization is wasting money that could go to a deserving player.

We'll have to respectfully disagree.

But then, as good as Fitz and CJ are, I think they are overpaid.

That goes back to my original point.

The only player you overpay is a franchise QB.

Every other position is expendable.

And I am a fan of Bowe (and Carr).

Rasputin 07-08-2012 08:25 PM

Pay him or don't pay him, it is Pioli responsibility to put winning tallent on the field. We don't succeed in this off with his head.

Just Passin' By 07-08-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8726504)
No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

I think you'd have to list the Jets as a team paying top dollar for 2 corners.

milkman 07-08-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8726519)
Nailed it.

Sadly, some of those average players who fit a profile are making the money the playmakers should be making.

How did he nail it?

Carr got big time money from the Boys.
#1 corner money.

We have no idea what Pioli offered Carr, but I would bet top dollar he offered him a a contract that was equal to or better than the top #2 corners in the league.


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