His line was decent, though.

Well, he did throw a lot of INT's last season.

But he also threw for 4600yds and 27TD's with a 63 comp%, I wouldn't ever consider Rivers to be on the hot seat because of what he's been able to do over the past 3-4 yrs or so.

Norv on the other hand.....I'm just really surprised he's still a HC in the league to be honest. His teams are the poster child for shitty starts and digging themselves into a hole.

It just depends on the discussion to fit ones agenda during the conversation.

You hear here all the time that a franchise qb makes the line and wr's better. Then you will turn around and hear that a franchise qb needs better talent around him, etc...

It also depends on who you are talking about... QB A = fans like him vs QB B fans hate him will determine what side of the fence they are on.

Yup, and because of that more teams are going to be willing to take chances on QB's.

That means that QB's are going to start being picked higher and more often and a team will likely have to give up more to move up and get one.

Tannehill is a great example. I doubt he goes top 10 under the old CBA. Now guys like that are going to be going higher.

I'm all for going and getting a QB. Just pointing out a consequence of the new CBA that you didn't mention. I"m sure you're aware though.

No, just have read too many of your posts.

yep, John Alt, Will Shields, Tim Grunhard, and Dave Szott.
that's a pretty impressive Line.

What people fail to remember is that Krieg started 5 or 6 games that year. Montana elevated players, but it wasn't all him.

Big strong guys, like Ben Roethlisberger, can overcome the lack of a decent line.

Guys with mobility that can make plays with the arm outside the pocket, like Aaron Rodgers, can also overcome the lack of a decent line.

Tom Brady is one of the best I've ever seen at pocket mobility, but he still needs a line that can provide him pocket that he work in.

But every QB needs talent elswhere on the roster to lead his team to the SB.

I have said it again and again, give me a top 10 defense and a franchise QB, and I will take my chances.

But that's a simplistic way of saying that you need a QB and talent surrounding that QB to win.

but Krieg failed in Buffalo when it counted most after Montana went out with a concussion.

I see.

Trying to read my posts to get an understanding of the complexities of football caused your brain to fossilize.

I'll try to make things simpler for you in the future.

Kreig started 5 games and finished with a 3-2 record.

Exactly.

I don't see what's so hard about this.

If you surround a QB with more talent, his performance improves. Always.

It's not like a QB being great will suddenly turn a cast of undrafted scrubs into hall of famers. Chances are they will just make him look bad. Top that with a bad defense where the QB is under pressure to constantly make plays and he's going to press and force passes.

If you have a quality QB with a mediocre offensive cast and a great defense, that QB will find a way because he's not under pressure to score 30 points a game. He'll avoid mistakes and score enough to win more often than not.

If you surround your franchise QB with hot garbage, you're not going to a SB. I don't care how good he is.

Thanks Bro!

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Right? I'd take Romo, Schaub, Bradford in a minute.