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The Franchise 09-20-2012 09:15 AM

It comes down to two things. Shitty coaching and shitty QB play.

Daboll is more about being ****ing cute than he is playing to this team's strengths. RAC can't be the DC and HC at the same time. Cassel flat out sucks and he's dragging this team down because he's causing the strengths to be mis-used and defenses can stack 9 in the box and win.

Chiefnj2 09-20-2012 09:18 AM

The Saints have given up 38 points per game against two very different offenses.

Daboll should be able to craft something semi-effective. And I know people don't want to hear it but turnovers (not Daboll's fault) have really killed the O.

Brock 09-20-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8930088)
The Saints have given up 38 points per game against two very different offenses.

Daboll should be able to craft something semi-effective. And I know people don't want to hear it but turnovers (not Daboll's fault) have really killed the O.

Well, against Buffalo, the possessions went punt punt punt punt punt fumble punt fumble or something like that. I don't have much confidence that Daboll really knows what he's doing.

mrbiggz 09-20-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8929837)
Saying this team has tons of weapons reminds me of 85% of the fanbase 7 weeks ago after KC's first preseason game. Everyone was talking about what a great roster and depth that Pioli built and it was ONLY Cassel holding the team back. Weeks later every single phase of the team stinks - passing game, running game, blocking, run D, pass D, special teams.

The reality is that these "playmakers" are questionable.

Charles - will he ever return from his knee?
Moeaki - will he ever return from his knee, plus he was overrated his rookie year.
Hillis - not effective game 1, critical fumble game 2, tons of issues last year.

WRs - being honest, McCluster MIGHT be the best WR on the team. Best route runner and better hands than Bowe. Bowe is good, but inconsistent. Baldwin has yet to emerge and Breaston has always been a complimentary player.

Paper tigers.

They are questionable, but everyone knows the major weakness of this team is at quarterback. If you improve the quarterback situation to top 15 in the league even the players above you mentioned will look a whole heck of a lot better. Example: Colts with and without Peyton Manning.

vailpass 09-20-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 8929816)
A team that won 17 games the past two seasons with Cassel and Palko/Orton starting and not even full strength last season.

LMAO Kool-aid Oh YEAH!

lcarus 09-20-2012 09:45 AM

One thing I know for certain...the offense will never score if they keep losing 5 yards on ****ing sweeps and shit. Which seems to happen EVERY DAMN DRIVE.

Chiefnj2 09-20-2012 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8930103)
Well, against Buffalo, the possessions went punt punt punt punt punt fumble punt fumble or something like that. I don't have much confidence that Daboll really knows what he's doing.

I understand what you mean. IMO, the O plan for the Atlanta game was pretty good. The Buffalo game, not as much. Is it bad playcalling? Some of it. I didn't like the dump offs on 3rd and long which weren't converted especially when they were able to convert those against Atlanta. But, on some other drives the execution was just so poor. Euchus, Lilja, Asamoah and Moeaki were getting blown off the bal and/or run over.

lcarus 09-20-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8930176)
I understand what you mean. IMO, the O plan for the Atlanta game was pretty good. The Buffalo game, not as much. Is it bad playcalling? Some of it. I didn't like the dump offs on 3rd and long which weren't converted especially when they were able to convert those against Atlanta. But, on some other drives the execution was just so poor. Euchus, Lilja, Asamoah and Moeaki were getting blown off the bal and/or run over.

The offense for Atlanta would have been ok if the defense could have gotten a damn stop. I expected this defense to be stout. I really did. Sucks.

Hammock Parties 09-20-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8930103)
Well, against Buffalo, the possessions went punt punt punt punt punt fumble punt fumble or something like that. I don't have much confidence that Daboll really knows what he's doing.

I don't think Daboll is a particularly good OC. His playcalling is very Herm like from a run/pass standpoint.

I also think he's severely limited by Cassel and it shows in how he calls the game.

Last year Haley tried to "fix" Cassel. This year they're trying to make what he does well translate into a productive offense.

FAIL

And mostly because the run blocking stinks. Our running game was a huge bag of shit in that first half against Buffalo. That exposes Cassel, and he shows his ass to the world.

lcarus 09-20-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8930199)
I don't think Daboll is a particularly good OC. His playcalling is very Herm like from a run/pass standpoint.

I also think he's severely limited by Cassel and it shows in how he calls the game.

Last year Haley tried to "fix" Cassel. This year they're trying to make what he does well translate into a productive offense.

FAIL

And mostly because the run blocking stinks. Our running game was a huge bag of shit in that first half against Buffalo. That exposes Cassel, and he shows his ass to the world.

Lets give him a little credit. Being an OC for an offense led by Matt Cassel is one of the toughest gigs in the league.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8930088)
The Saints have given up 38 points per game against two very different offenses.

Daboll should be able to craft something semi-effective. And I know people don't want to hear it but turnovers (not Daboll's fault) have really killed the O.

Darren Sharper says we should be able to pound the ball right down their throats.

He thinks the Saints start 0-4.

listopencil 09-20-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8930075)
Yea, he throws a lot of numbers around all to say you need a top tier QB to win a Super Bowl.
Funny you mention the Giants. Ive been saying for the past few years the the NFL regular season has been diminished and not as significant as it once was. We are starting to see a trend now of average regular season teams make a run in the playoffs and/or winning championships. Giants last year….Cardinals a few years ago…Seahawks in 2010…Steelers in 2005 were only 10-6 when they won as a wildcard

It's complicated. Generally speaking, over the course of many games, the better teams are going to win more games. If some team can get on a streak in a weak division (...cough, cough...Broncos...cough, cough) they have a shot at doing anything. That's what makes the playoffs so exciting though. It comes down to coaches and players who have that "it" factor but it's more than "clutch". It's playmaking ability, situational awareness, football IQ and some luck.

Take the DEN-PIT playoff game last year. I think the Steelers had momentum and would have won that game if Rapistburger could have gotten his game on just a little bit earlier. Shit, PIT had all the momentum of a piano falling from a three story window. I'd say if they had gotten the ball first in OT they would have won it. But It was just a bit too late. DEN calls that one play in OT, Tebow manages to make that one good throw, Thomas gets into a perfect situation that plays right into his strengths...game over.

Crazy shit.

The Franchise 09-20-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8930212)
Darren Sharper says we should be able to pound the ball right down their throats.

He thinks the Saints start 0-4.

The Saints are 32nd in run defense.........after playing Cam Newton and RG3. I wonder how much of that is because of the QB.

Hammock Parties 09-20-2012 10:11 AM

This is why I rape Cassel with at least 6/10 posts.

The longer he is here, the longer we waste time.

I don't give a **** about the defense. It can be fixed. There's talent over there.

THERE'S NO ****ING TALENT UNDER CENTER.

lcarus 09-20-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8930238)
This is why I rape Cassel with at least 6/10 posts.

The longer he is here, the longer we waste time.

I don't give a **** about the defense. It can be fixed. There's talent over there.

THERE'S NO ****ING TALENT UNDER CENTER.

Yeah, and we all ****ing agree with you. Except for LAChieffan or whoever else that believes he's a "top 10 QB".


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